Monk progression: Is this an error or a valid rule?

[mmtbb]

Traveller wrote:
Why I keep reading this thread I don't know. Even worse is that I'm responding to it, again.

Yes! Why are you responding?! What did you hope to gain from your post? It adds nothing to the topic other than another post.

Traveller wrote:
From the responses you are getting, you're the only one who believes that the game isn't making sense.

Wrong. There were at least two posts that others said the progression was "wonky", or said they would change it in their own game. Other posts mentioned, and thus agreed, that on the surface it looks like an anomaly. Well I am afraid all I see is the surface right now.

[Arioch]

mmtbb wrote:
. I'll either wait for the CKG or move to something else.

SO you would drop the wholes system, just because you think there is a flaw in the monks progression? And the CKG has to show you a logical reason you would accept?

I don't think you understand the spirit that went to to creating C&C

Ken
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[ssfsx17]

Here's how you deal with perceived "problems" in C&C, like I do...

1. Take out a sheet of paper.

2. Write "My House Rules" on the top.

3. Write down a new Monk experience table. If you only have an issue with Quivering Palm, then you simply write down different experience requirements for that level.

4. You tell your players, "These are my house rules." Or, you tell your CK, "I would like to inquire as to whether or not this is to your liking."

5. Without adding completely new material such as new classes or new spells, you shouldn't need more than both sides of this sheet of paper to fix everything that you thought was "broken." It's one of the main reasons why I like C&C - it's purposely designed to let you put whatever you want on top of it.

I haven't even bothered to wait for the CKG to do a lot of my own house rules. I know that it'll come when it comes, and until then, my players are completely fine with my house rules.

[Joe]

It is the group of players, the GM, and the relative chemistry amongst the group that makes or breaks a great game.

It has very little to do with what perspective rule books are being used and everything to do with the people playing the game.

I have seen folks take a rules heavy system and ruin the game by playing rules rather than roles. I have seen others folks take those same rules and make a campaign to be remembered forever.

I have seen folks take truly wonky systems and make great games out of them.

The best part of C&C is not what is between the book binds, but rather how it plays at the dinner table. How combat no longer drudges endlessly, how that "feel" of that first game ever played returns.

It has nothing to do with how deep we can bury newbie players under tomes of complicated rules and has everything to do with how those players are once again freed to use their imagination rather than their mathematical mins and maxes.

My suggestion to you is stop reading the books looking for typos and glitches, stop replying with aggresion, and just play the freaking game.

Play the game Forrest...play the game!!!

And my challenge to you is to roleplay...or rule play, the choice is yours.

Do you feel lucky?

Well do do you?

[mmtbb]

Joe wrote:
It is the group of players, the GM, and the relative chemistry amongst the group that makes or breaks a great game.

It has very little to do with what perspective rule books are being used and everything to do with the people playing the game.

I have seen folks take a rules heavy system and ruin the game by playing rules rather than roles. I have seen others folks take those same rules and make a campaign to be remembered forever.

I have seen folks take truly wonky systems and make great games out of them.

The best part of C&C is not what is between the book binds, but rather how it plays at the dinner table. How combat no longer drudges endlessly, how that "feel" of that first game ever played returns.

It has nothing to do with how deep we can bury newbie players under tomes of complicated rules and has everything to do with how those players are once again freed to use their imagination rather than their mathematical mins and maxes.

My suggestion to you is stop reading the books looking for typos and glitches, stop replying with aggresion, and just play the freaking game.

Play the game Forrest...play the game!!!

And my challenge to you is to roleplay...or rule play, the choice is yours.

Do you feel lucky?

Well do do you?

Huh, that is pretty funny "stop replying with aggression". Look at the last line of your thread. That looks pretty aggressive to me. How do you think someone replies to a post like that? Well, here is my challenge to you, STOP REPLYING, PERIOD!! I dare you! I bet you can't.

Most of your reply is an assumption that I min, max, only read the book for typos, have no idea what it feels like to play a 1st edition adventure. Um, I don't think I have ever met you. It's amazing how much you THINK you know about me.

Look through the thread. I only reply because people keep posting. I don't need suggestions anymore!! I got my answer a long time ago. AGAIN, I only post replies because some keep ressurecting this thread. I don't need to know how C&C is the greatest game to ever exist. I am not new to D&D (unless 22-23 years is new). I have read enough reviews on C&C, the whole PHB, and hours looking through the forums to gather a good general idea.

[Arioch]

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Well, here is my challenge to you, STOP REPLYING, PERIOD!! I dare you! I bet you can't

And I could issue the same challenge,but it would make the point of a discussion and forums obsolete if no one every responded to a post.

Ken
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[mmtbb]

Joe,

I just came back and read my post again. This wasn't where I intended this thread to go.

It's funny. That last post was probably the only post I actually felt "aggressive". I am not going to be a jerk about this. I'm sorry. Thank you guys for your suggestions and input. We may not agree, but that is our freedom.

[Traveller]

mmtbb wrote:
Useless drivel snipped.

Very nice post to Joe. Now kindly answer my question.
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[serleran]

At this point, its more fun to watch the surgery than to be the patient.

[mmtbb]

Traveller wrote:
Very nice post to Joe. Now kindly answer my question.

And what question was that?

[gideon_thorne]

mmtbb wrote:
And what question was that?

Traveller wrote:
Explain to us just WHY the game HAS to make a little more sense in this one area.

That one.
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[mmtbb]

Do you really want to know? Perhaps a better question is, do any of you really care to know? Of course, I have answer to that question, but there is no point in answering it if is only going to turn into another flame.

[Lord Dynel]

As a casual observer, I'd say, yes. We've come this far, if you don't mind answering maybe we can put this thread to bed.

[magehammer]

I have to say I hadn't considered this thread a flame. I think that is why it is so interesting. A couple of times it almost spilled over into hostility, but it still has continued to be cordial.

I think we are creating something new in the world of message boards with this post.

I am glad to have been a part of it.
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[Lord Dynel]

magehammer wrote:
I have to say I hadn't considered this thread a flame. I think that is why it is so interesting. A couple of times it almost spill over into hostility, but it still has continued to be cordial.

I think we are creating something new in the world of message boards with this post.

I am glad to have been a part of it.

I agree. Maybe somone should post a link to this thread over a WotC. They certainly need some board manners.

[Traveller]

mmtbb wrote:
Do you really want to know? Perhaps a better question is, do any of you really care to know? Of course, I have answer to that question, but there is no point in answering it if is only going to turn into another flame.

If you want anyone to understand your logic, then you must answer. Failing to answer opens you up to being perceived as being close-minded, unwilling to listen to the other participants in this thread. I'm positive that is not what you want, so you will answer.
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[gideon_thorne]

mmtbb wrote:
Do you really want to know? Perhaps a better question is, do any of you really care to know? Of course, I have answer to that question, but there is no point in answering it if is only going to turn into another flame.

It would help in giving answers to understand the why of your question. I certainly can't fathom why this is such a big deal, honestly. But it might help frame an answer your looking for.
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[mmtbb]

gideon_thorne wrote:
But it might help frame an answer your looking for.

I just read this and had to read it again. At first glance I thought it read "it might help FLAME an answer your looking for" My immediete thought was, "at least he's honest".

[gideon_thorne]

mmtbb wrote:
I just read this and had to read it again. At first glance I thought it read "it might help FLAME an answer your looking for" My immediete thought was, "at least he's honest".

*chuckles* I get enough flames on my own. I at least try and avoid firing too many off myself, even when I'm bewildered. ^_^

Now, when I'm fed up, thats a whole new ball game.
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[Joe]

Thanks for your last reply.

It was intended to poke fun for the sake of fun. Which is the whole reason why we play games is it not?

Play the game with an open mind with the goal of having fun and guess what? I guarantee you have lot's of fun.

I too get my armor in a bunch on these threads.

No hard feelings.

PS: Traveller, stop baiting. If any of us practised logic would we spend so much time and energy on a game that only existed in our minds? Sometimes we all make arguments that are not based on logic or reason. That is perfectly acceptable as long as we remain human.

Just like designing a game a certain way just because you felt like it, is just as acceptable. Besides, I prefer banannas over logic any day! Funny thing is...the bananna is keeping time to my Led Zep music...cooool!

[Lord Dynel]

gideon_thorne wrote:
*chuckles* I get enough flames on my own.

*sniff, sniff*

*points*

Uh, Peter, I think your hair's on fire.

[gideon_thorne]

Lord Dynel wrote:
*sniff, sniff*

*points*

Uh, Peter, I think your hair's on fire.

In my case, that would be a neat trick, mate.
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[ssfsx17]

Joe wrote:
[smilie=banana.gif] Besides, I prefer banannas over logic any day! Funny thing is...the bananna is keeping time to my Led Zep music...cooool!

You silly people who grew up in the 60's / 70's, don't you know that The Man has outlawed shrooms and acid now? =P

[serleran]

Only some of them.