Divine scroll use with INT or WIS?

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Divine scroll use with INT or WIS?

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Heya.

This came up last night, with a 2nd-level Druid trying to read a scroll of a 2nd-level spell. Even though it's divine magic, does he roll INT to use the scroll properly (a crappy score), or can he use WIS (high & prime)?

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Mr.Joel wrote:
Heya.

This came up last night, with a 2nd-level Druid trying to read a scroll of a 2nd-level spell. Even though it's divine magic, does he roll INT to use the scroll properly (a crappy score), or can he use WIS (high & prime)?

Thanks!

Wisdom would be the most logical in this case. Arcane and divine magic operate on differing principles.
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BTB, if the scroll is divine and the person attempting to cast the spell is a divine caster (as long as the spell is on his spell list). Because the 2nd level spell he is attempting to read is of a spell level higher than he can cast, the druid must make a widsom check with a challenge class of the level of the spell he is attempting to cast (in this case the challenge class is a 2 for a 2nd level spell).

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BTB, if the scroll is divine and the person attempting to cast the spell is a divine caster (as long as the spell is on his spell list). Because the 2nd level spell he is attempting to read is of a spell level higher than he can cast, the druid must make a widsom check with a penalty of the level of the spell he is attempting to cast (in this case the penalty is -2 for a 2nd level spell).

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The only thing I see in the book says INT ck (doesn't specify Arcane v. Divine). p.48 3rd Printing PHB
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Tis true that that example is given in the PHB under using scrolls. However, I think the "Using Scrolls" section is particularly badly worded and was not intended to be specific to INT checks for all scrolls. I guess if you go by the RAW words, than Bighara is right...

Although, going by the RAW words in the 5 paragraphs that are the USING SCROLLS section, the rules contradict themselves at least on one occasion.

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Divine scrolls do not require checks to use, which is the reward for their obscurity and general impossibility of finding. One may allow a check, naturally, but that is a punishment / penalty -- in such cases, the governing attribute is always used, which for divine spells is always Wisdom.
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Is that a BTB answer Serl, or an interpretation? Because the ruling in question is not obvious under the Using Scrolls section of page 48 PHB 3rd printing.

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It is an interpretation.
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I'd use a wisdom check for divine scrolls, intelligence check for arcane scrolls.
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