Troll Lord Games

I was thinking of buying it, but I have the 1e mm and dm guide. Is this better? Are all of the monsters illustrated? call me shallow but that's important. is there a list of monsters in the book?

thanks.
_________________
Nightstorm: So tell me something about your elf.

Zippo: He's an elf. He lives in the woods.

Nightstorm: Did you hear that Gary? "His elf lives in the woods"

There's no "4th edition" of the M&T book - it's the first edition but the third printing.

You could do the legwork of converting all the monsters and treasure items into C&C terms yourself, but it's certainly much easier to have everything together in a single ready reference.

The monsters are all illustrated, many of them gorgeously so.

M&T also contains rules for creating magic items, and a nice discussion about other forms of treasure besides coin and magic items.

I heartily recommend picking up M&T. With this and the PHB, it's all you need to play the game.
_________________
"I don't wanna be remembered as the guy who died because he underestimated the threat posed by a monkey."

nightstorm wrote:
I is there a list of monsters in the book?

thanks.

Do you mean like an index? The 4th printing does have a TOC that gives pages numbers for each critter, alphabetically. On the internets, there's also a list by HD.

anglefish wrote:
Do you mean like an index? The 4th printing does have a TOC that gives pages numbers for each critter, alphabetically. On the internets, there's also a list by HD.

I was wondering if there is a list of monsters in the book. I guess my favorites like the mind flayers will not be in there but maybe others?
_________________
Nightstorm: So tell me something about your elf.

Zippo: He's an elf. He lives in the woods.

Nightstorm: Did you hear that Gary? "His elf lives in the woods"

The M&T is on its third printing, the PH is on its 4th.

You can definitely get by with just the 1E books, its dirt simple to convert them to C&C. However I prefer the power scheme of 2nd edition and sometimes even 3E, so I often use those instead. However I do use C&C dragons, they are finally bad ass. Plus the M&T has no demons, devils, and the others, so you will be adapting these from other Monster books you have. But its easy to do, even from 3E and 4E, because it is simply a matter of cutting away what does not apply to C&C, or that you do not want it to have in C&C. You can keep any feats/powers you wish, you just treat them as monster abilities. Any skills listed I just say the creature can do as if their relevant attribute is prime.

Now TLG is planning on eventually doing monster books that will have such creatures in them, but they are slow, and I would have had to do without many fo these creatures for over 2 years now, so I learned to convert. Fortunately it is easy, very easy, once you see how to do it and do it several times.

If you want, copy/paste a monster from the 3E SRD that you think would be hard to convert to C&C and I'll show you how I would adapt it.
_________________
The Ruby Lord, Earl of the Society

Next Con I am attending: http://www.neoncon.com/

My House Rules: http://www.freeyabb.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... llordgames

No demons and devils??? That's f@#k*d up!!! I was poised on buying the monster book but now will not. Guess I'll have to get out the dm's guide for the treasure also.
_________________
Nightstorm: So tell me something about your elf.

Zippo: He's an elf. He lives in the woods.

Nightstorm: Did you hear that Gary? "His elf lives in the woods"

I guess you'll have to make your decisions on the basis of what you value, but how often do those make their way into your game? They're easy enough to convert over, especially from the 1/e MM/MM2/FF. I personally didn't care about the lack of demons/devils, and wasn't even all that concerned by the lack of those monsters that were considered WotC property, e.g. beholders, when I got into C&C. If I want them in my game, I'll convert them over. No big deal.

nightstorm wrote:
No demons and devils??? That's f@#k*d up!!! I was poised on buying the monster book but now will not. Guess I'll have to get out the dm's guide for the treasure also.

Well, one of the things that drew me to C&C was the fact that my vast collection of D&D books from all editions were going to be legitimate resources again, no more dust on my books!
_________________
The Ruby Lord, Earl of the Society

Next Con I am attending: http://www.neoncon.com/

My House Rules: http://www.freeyabb.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... llordgames

The moster and treasure book is worth it even if you have all the old 1e books.

Personaly for my game i use...

PHB

M&T

1e

MM

MM2

FF

DMG

Hackmaster 4th

Hacklopedias

GMG

PHB

and 3e

Creature collection from the scarred lands set.

The M&T is a great read and the moster illistrations rock.

Quote:
The monsters are all illustrated, many of them gorgeously so.

Really, all of them? My copy must be screwed up or something. Its missing quite a few illustrations like the Bodak, Cloaker, and the Ghoul to name a few.
_________________
But dark is the path appointed for thee:

The Dead watch the road that leads to the sea.-The Two Towers

No, they are not all illustrated, even in the most recent printing, but almost all of them are. QFT though the the artwork in the M&T is awesome.

I remember WAY back in the day when the M&T was on the verge of being released initially, there was some concern that not all of the standard monsters were covered in the M&T and particularly the fact that there were no demons/devils in there.

Some of the conversation going around stated that the standard demons and devils had been done to death over the years with D&D, and if anybody wanted all of those baddies, all they would have to do is use their old D&D material and, voila! While I was dissappointed to that they were not in there, all I did was pick up another Monster Manual 1E, 2E, or 3E and use the monsters from there with C&C. Pretty easy.

In my estimation you could tell that TLG didn't just want to do everything the same as what already had been done with 3 iterations of D&D. The new C&C monster book coming out seems like it would be proof of this. Finally a monster book that seems like it is going to have all brand new monsters that are unique to fantasy roleplaying, new artwork, and everything! Even though the new book is called Monsters & Treasures of Aihrde, TLG has said that this book is made first to use with C&C or any fantasy based RPG. I can't remember where I saw it, but the description of each new monster is accompanied by only a blurb with how the creature is used in Aihrde. I can't wait to use this book in my hombrew campaign!!!

Maybe one day we'll see traditional demons and the like in print for C&C, but such a book is probably some time off and in the mean time we have all of those statistics already.

~O
_________________
> Omote's Advanced C&C stuff <
Duke Omote Landwehr, Holy Order of the FPQ ~ Prince of the Castles & Crusades Society

QFT...
See it all the time, especially in posts by you.. Omote.

What does it stand for?

Quoted For Truth

I type far too terrible to spell everything out.
~O
_________________
> Omote's Advanced C&C stuff <
Duke Omote Landwehr, Holy Order of the FPQ ~ Prince of the Castles & Crusades Society

Well, I have Tried to work it out, but finally decided to just ask.

Thanks, have seen that in many of your posts and wondered.

Well, I'm glad my copy wasn't a misprint. I also have to agree M&T is a very solid product. I was originaly going to just convert all the monsters, but it was becoming quite a chore. The conversion part is easy enough, it was just looking at the sheer number of monsters was overwhelming. M&T has pretty much all the creatures I wanted and now I just convert the others as needed.

BTW, I always thought QFT stood for Quite F*&%n' True. You can see how my mind works.
_________________
But dark is the path appointed for thee:

The Dead watch the road that leads to the sea.-The Two Towers

Omote: I am Glad you clarify which of your posts are for truth.
But that begs a question... Does that mean the rest are not?

DEADREBORN'S MIND IS FILTHY!
Haha. No Aneoth, when you see a QFT you are usually saying so based on another's great comment. I would never QFT my own comments, but DeadReborn's comments on the otherhand... QFkinT!

~O
_________________
> Omote's Advanced C&C stuff <
Duke Omote Landwehr, Holy Order of the FPQ ~ Prince of the Castles & Crusades Society

Don't worry once you get comfortable with conversions you'll be like me, you'll look at any MM from any edition of D&D and your mind will immediately edit it to C&C format. Seriously. It is to the point where I just pull out whichever MM I wish to use, and I practically see it as a C&C stat block I have gotten so comfortable with doing the conversions.
_________________
The Ruby Lord, Earl of the Society

Next Con I am attending: http://www.neoncon.com/

My House Rules: http://www.freeyabb.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... llordgames

Same here, Treebore.

I'll use monsters on the fly from any previous edition MM, as well as from any d20 game.

I like to use unusual monsters or else modify existing monsters a bit to keep players on their toes, because they tend to know everything about the monsters as-written.
_________________
"There are two kinds of people in the world: those with guns, and those who dig." - The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly

Quote:
... you'll look at any MM from any edition of D&D and your mind will immediately edit it to C&C format.

I was reading through Expedition to Castle Ravenloft last night and found myself doing that exact same thing. It becomes almost second nature. I feel confident that when I eventually run a game I'll be able to convert on the fly.

Quote:
DEADREBORN'S MIND IS FILTHY!

My mind is all I have left, as my son is starting to repeat the garbage that spews fourth from my mouth.
_________________
But dark is the path appointed for thee:

The Dead watch the road that leads to the sea.-The Two Towers

As someone mildly responsible for what is in M&T, I will say I am glad in some ways that demons are not included -- the intent was to give them the treatment they deserve, rather than the 2-4 pages they may have gotten otherwise. Also, it was decided that many gamers would likely never encounter demons in the typical game, which was judged to run between levels 1 and 9 (roughly). Of course, I would have wanted to see some demonic things in there, but oh well... we can't always have all we want.
_________________
If it matters, leave a message at the beep.
Serl's Corner

I'm looking through the M&T myself now (got it 2 weeks ago) and, as someone who never saw the need to upgrade past AD&D 1st Edition, it looks great. Converting my 1st Ed. stuff over (demons & devils & others, oh my!) looks like it'll be a snap.

Personally, I think if you've got the cash, GET it -- you'll be glad to have it.

- Riki

Glad to hear it DeadReborn and Steerpike, its nice to know I am not alone in my geekness.
_________________
The Ruby Lord, Earl of the Society

Next Con I am attending: http://www.neoncon.com/

My House Rules: http://www.freeyabb.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... llordgames