Digest-sized C&C rulebooks?

vivsavage · Post by **vivsavage** » Mon Oct 18, 2010 4:26 pm

I'm a big fan of the digest sized RPG books like Savage Worlds and D&D Essentials. Any chance of seeing some C&C rulebooks in this format? They're very handy.

Post by **Breakdaddy** » Mon Oct 18, 2010 5:40 pm

I've seen some C&C digest sized books. The print was too small for my tired eyes to read though. It's something that's been kicked around for publication but I don't know if they'll ever get beyond the prototypes. Would there be a lot of folks that would buy them if released?

serleran · Post by **serleran** » Mon Oct 18, 2010 5:50 pm

I'd stick them in the White Box, but would not play with them.
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alcyone · Post by **alcyone** » Mon Oct 18, 2010 6:08 pm

The C&C quick start rules in PDF could be printed out in booklet form. I just picked up a relatively inexpensive saddle-stitch stapler and have been printing out lots of my PDFs using booklet mode. You'd certainly have to break a larger book like the proper PH or M&T into multiple booklets.

Savage Worlds is a very pretty book, but it doesn't lay flat, which makes the format less useful for me.

Quick start rules:
http://www.trolllord.com/cnc/ccqs.html
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Lord Dynel · Post by **Lord Dynel** » Mon Oct 18, 2010 10:30 pm

I wouldn't mind a digest-sized PHB. Kind of like the one for Savage Worlds Explorer's Edition. I think I saw another company do a digest-sozed book, too, but I can't recall it at the moment. But I would like something like that for my players. Not all of my players have PHBs, so having a few copies of this lying around would be nice, imho.
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Mark Hall · Post by **Mark Hall** » Mon Oct 18, 2010 11:33 pm

I probably would not buy digest sized books. While they're somewhat nice on size, there's the issue of them not staying open when laid flat.

vivsavage · Post by **vivsavage** » Tue Oct 19, 2010 12:26 pm

Mark Hall wrote:
I probably would not buy digest sized books. While they're somewhat nice on size, there's the issue of them not staying open when laid flat.

The D&D Essentials books and Gamma World can lay flat.

Traveller · Post by **Traveller** » Tue Oct 19, 2010 5:19 pm

If they use the same binding present in GURPS softcovers I wouldn't buy them. I find that the advantage of them being able to lie flat is offset by the perception that the book is falling apart since the glue is so readily exposed on those bindings.

I don't care if the book lies flat or not, because I should be able to GM on the fly, without having to look up the rules.
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Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » Wed Oct 20, 2010 10:31 pm

I'd definitely buy C&C rulebooks in digest sized. Next to hardcover, it's my preferred format. Digest-sized hardbacks (like the German version of Savage Worlds) are my dream format, but we don't see many of those in the RPG trade.

Traveller · Post by **Traveller** » Thu Oct 21, 2010 12:15 am

I like digest sized books, but as I apparently found out in looking over Issaries' website, the biggest complaint from their point of view is that you're limited in how you can lay out a product. Apparently in RPGs, Letter-sized or A4 pages mean you can have full color watermarking on every page that makes the book hard to read, hard to annotate and hard to handle.
Thankfully, C&C takes a much simpler approach. Text and line art, without color watermarking on each and every stinkin' page. Of course, I also have my digest sized C&C rule books: the white box.
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Mark Hall · Post by **Mark Hall** » Thu Oct 21, 2010 3:31 pm

vivsavage wrote:
The D&D Essentials books and Gamma World can lay flat.

That is not my experience with the D&D Essentials books... unless you're talking about cracking the binding to make them do it.

Omote · Post by **Omote** » Thu Oct 21, 2010 6:38 pm

The new D&D Essentials DMG is designed in a way so that it can lay flat while being a perfect bound, digest-sized book. It's pretty neat. The other Essentials books I have read do not seem to have the ability to lay flat.

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Traveller · Post by **Traveller** » Fri Oct 22, 2010 4:14 am

The binding is called "otabind" and consists of a cold poly resin binding with a paper cap. The cover is glued to the first and last page and thus "floats" compared to the rest of the text block. Supposedly the binding is as strong as a standard paperback binding, but having GURPS Traveller and Compendium I in my possession, I swear the pages are going to fall out every time I open the blasted book.

Future books I buy that are bound with the otabind process will end up at Staples to be rebound into a more traditional and durable binding.

It's not a quality issue, but a durability issue for me.
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Omote · Post by **Omote** » Fri Oct 22, 2010 12:06 pm

Thanks Trav. I didn't know what that style of binding was called. Though neat, it does not seem very durable at all.

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