Which Game do you DISLIKE the most.....

[GameOgre]

You willing to sell the SW Saga core book? I could use another copy for my group. 6 people and 1 book doesn't work well.

Sorry,didn't see it Tree.

Let me talk to my boy and see if he is going to do anything with the books. He took them all to use and they sat unopened in his truck for weeks at least.

If he isn't gonna use em you can have em all.

[concobar]

F.A.T.A.L.

Worst game ever.







4e Best game ever!

[Sir Ironside]

F.A.T.A.L.

Worst game ever.

How could you hate a game that allows you to hit your Fallopian tubes, without puncturing your skin, regardless if your female of male?

I mean that is the most realistic rpg ever!


Plus you can read probably the most *hilarious review about F.A.T.A.L. and, the infamous rebuttal by Byron Hall.

*WARNING! Very graphic for those with weak constitutions.

[Traveller]

I have a PDF copy of FATAL. I've done everything possible to keep it away from my other games so it doesn't corrupt them and turn them into neo-nazi rapists wishing to use police batons to find out if there's an anal probe in the ass.

[zarathustra]

Whenever I read about FATAL I just think,

Oh, so that's what "Too Far" looks like.

[Joe]

Ok, now I'm curious.

For gamers to find something as gone too far or over the top I just have to know what that was!

For pete's sake folks we "power up", we teleport across the globe and take the existence of alternate planes for granted. We have taken adopted the Jabberwocky as a legit monster, we have black skinned elves that swing two weapons and we all pretend its not a copy of Drizzt, we claim to all be non-religious but we cannot play a game without a cleric, we project modern day environmentalist values onto medieval druids, what on earth could this game have done that has gone too far?!?!?

I must know!
I must possess this thing you say is gone too far!
I must peer into the gaping abyss!

So...tell me more.

[Relaxo]

+1.
I was not curious about FATAL until now! Call me crazy. (I guess Joe and I are both crazy, LOL)

This is technically thread drift, but did anyone like that DragonLance game played with cards instead of dice and like, normal D&D rules? I've never played it, but one of my old gaming buddies swore by it, and he was the only one I knew of who liked it. Any good? I think there's a used copy available at my FLGS last time I checked.

{edit} I'm like 6% into reading the "review" and rebuttal and I'm LMAO.
Has anyone PLAYED it? are there real reviews available? (let me google for one, duh) But among you guys, anyone played it?

[Sir Ironside]

Has anyone PLAYED it? are there real reviews available? (let me google for one, duh) But among you guys, anyone played it?

That is a real review, just of a different flavour. I owned it, never played it. You, just, couldn't play it. It was a nightmarish mish mash of incoherent ramblings, misogynistic rants, contradicting and overly complex rules.

I truly, truly give much credit to the two reviewers for actually making it through the whole book. It is something I couldn't do, nor do I know of anyone that did. It hung around, on my hard-drive, for about a year, purely to say I owned it. The novelty wore off and, seriously, I felt dirty even owning it.

I had Hybrid to, but erased it for entirely different reasons. Every-time you would go and try to make sense of what was being written, I just felt bad, for the author, as it was apparent that he had some kind of mental problem.

I'm a little surprised that RaHoWa (Racial Holy War) hasn't been mentioned yet. It is easily the 1b to F.A.T.A.L.'s 1a. (Or reverse, depending on your moral compass.)

And for those that are really interested in owning a copy of each you can get F.A.T.A.L. and RaHoWa here. (Scroll to the bottom.)

Don't say we didn't warn you.

[Traveller]

Has anyone PLAYED it?

Trust me. You cannot play it, nor do you want to. I guarantee that you'll go mad just trying to make sense of it all.

By the way, did we mention it's 900 pages long?

[Relaxo]

Oh wow. 900 pages! EEEK!

Like I said, hadn't finished the reviews, didn't realize they did play it.
The review is TOO funny.

Thanks!

[concobar]

Ok, now I'm curious.

For gamers to find something as gone too far or over the top I just have to know what that was!

For pete's sake folks we "power up", we teleport across the globe and take the existence of alternate planes for granted. We have taken adopted the Jabberwocky as a legit monster, we have black skinned elves that swing two weapons and we all pretend its not a copy of Drizzt, we claim to all be non-religious but we cannot play a game without a cleric, we project modern day environmentalist values onto medieval druids, what on earth could this game have done that has gone too far?!?!?

I must know!
I must possess this thing you say is gone too far!
I must peer into the gaping abyss!

So...tell me more.

Rape cannibalism and blatant racism are too far IMO. rolling on charts to determine specific capacity of various bodily orifices or genitalia is too far. 900 pages is too far.

I never claim to be non-religious. I am very devout and often play a Cleric, Knight, or Paladin.

[alcyone]

Has anyone tried to play Synnibarr? We have two books for it, and every time I try to sit down and it give it a shot I go cross-eyed and give up. I can't even seem to make a character.

[Traveller]

Synnibar is at least playable, compared to FATAL.

(By the way, those two books are all that were produced for Synnibar.)

[Joe]

Wow...I read some reviews and if the book is half as bad as the reviews then I am left thinking it must be a parody.

[Sir Ironside]

Wow...I read some reviews and if the book is half as bad as the reviews then I am left thinking it must be a parody.

The funniest part of the rebuttal is when Byron Hall says that F.A.T.A.L. was not a dating game, never saying it wasn't a rape game.

[Go0gleplex]

You guys still going on about the FATAL garbage?

Doesn't the name mean;

Freaking
Awful
Thoughts
Against
Ladies

A simple summary of "it's a worthless pile of droppings" should cover it nicely.

[REHowardfanatic]

I love topics like this. Sigh. But I am very long winded. You have been warned....

I actually like 4th ed way better than 3.x ed. That said, 3.x ed is probably my least favorite system, overall. Too cumbersome to run, bled all the play and fun out of the monsters, made multiclassing and magic iteming impossible to avoid, and if I never seem another prestige class as long as I live, I will pass a happy DM.

I like Rolemaster and Palladium okay. To me, they do have some great strengths and some equally great weaknesses. And Shadowrun is a game I will play as long as some poor hapless fool wishes to run it. I love the setting, I love the game, I HATE HATE the system. Way too damned complicated. 4th ed SR is a great improvement, but still way way too crunchy.

I hate Battletech's setting. That is my least favorite major setting I have ever seen. It seems illogical and cumbersome. Don't tell my friend TJ that, though. lol. I think he sleeps with his BT books.

There are some games that ALLLLLLLMMMMMOOOOOOSSSSSTTTTT work, and I love the game, but, damn, it cannot be played because that system is just this much too unworkable. I hate those games, and love those game, and cry when I think of what might have been. Those games are Star Frontiers (weep! weep!), FASA Star Trek, and my beloved Earthdawn. Sigh.

Then there are games that aren't really bad, but aren't my bag at all. That's 4th ed, Exalted, and Werewolf: The Hey Those Werewolves are Casting Gorramn Spells-pocalypse! I just don't like epic, high, superhero fantasy. I like dirty, gritty, bloody, savage fantasy (BY THIS AXE I RULE!!!). And werewolves casting spells is an idea that should land someone in Gitmo. Werewolves eat people. They do not shaman up spells around fires, damnit. Also, I'll put Savage Worlds in this slot. Man, I wanted to like that game. Especially after Solomon Kane came out. But, I don't know, there is just something about it that I cannot vibe with at all. I think the crafty mechanics for the sake of crafty mechanics complaint may explain it (thank you for that).

But, at long last, my least favorite games in existance, the ones I simply cannot abide, are: any game that is diceless, especially the last 2 Marvel RPGs. Crom blast them all! I like the dice. So sue me, but I like the dice! I freakin collect dice and sometimes I even get my dice out and roll them for no real reason other than I like rolling the dice. I even love Yahtzee because I love rolling dice. RPGs have lots of cool dice and I want to roll them. Take your cards and bean counters and what not and shove them up your pit trap. I will be over here, rolling dice.

[serleran]

You guys still going on about the FATAL garbage?

Doesn't the name mean;

Freaking
Awful
Thoughts
Against
Ladies

A simple summary of "it's a worthless pile of droppings" should cover it nicely.

No. F.A.T.A.L is an acronym for "Fantasy Adventures to Adult Lechery", but this was toned down to "From Another Time, Another Land" in the second edition.

[REHowardfanatic]

Wow. That review was simultaneously riotously funny and SAN-blastingly awful. What a creepy, hot-mess of a game, and what a... I have no words for the author.
I thought it was maybe a troll-written f*ck you to RPGers until I read the rebuttal. Yikes. I guess it still might be, but 900 pages is a lot of effort for a trolling.
Oh well... Glad I've never read the thing.

[qstor]

1. D&D 4e. I've played it and run it twice. I've given up playing it and running it. I *might* play it again but I haven't had a lot of run playing it the last few times. I own most of the hardbacks. The new paperbacks I won't buy. WOTC got a lot of flack for all the errata and for even redoing all the classes in the new paperbacks. It just paves the way for 5e I guess.

2. Whitewolf games like VtM. I've never played one so maybe I'm being judgmental but I don't care for the ethos of the world so I'm not keen on playing it. I can't imagine ever running it.

3. Hackmaster. I played it once and have the book. I played it once but the combat and the PC generation seems too complex. Even GURPS or the Hero system goes easier for me.

Mike

[kreider204]

I enjoyed MERP for a while, and tried to make the switch to Rolemaster (2nd edition) - like many of you have said, it's nice in theory, but it was just too cumbersome. I still think MERP is a reasonable "basic" version of it, though.

HARP. Man, I really wanted to like it, but it was clearly not very rigorously playtested, and it really wasn't much simpler than RM, despite being billed as such.

Man, Myth, and Magic. I remember finding it interesting at first - I liked the idea of a fantasy RPG based on more or less real cultures instead of the usual fantasy races - but I couldn't get into the system.

Villains and Vigilantes. I abandoned it as soon as I found TSR's Marvel game. I'm not exactly sure why it rubbed me the wrong way - maybe that you had to play yourself as a super hero (I play RPGs to be someone other than myself, thanks ... ).

Boot Hill. Nice idea, but there just wasn't much in the rulebook for anything other than straight-up combat.

1st ed. AD&D. Okay, back then I loved it, obviously, but now that I've found C&C, and I see how much better it is, I realize I just didn't know any better.

[redwullf]

Champions. I have never been able to get into any sort of superhero RPG. I don't have the comic fan background like many players (maybe read a couple of Thor comics when I was much younger, but never really got into the comic scene). My staple has always been fantasy and occasionally sci-fi (Traveller, I loved), but when I was encouraged to try a few sessions of Champions those many years ago, my final thought was, "Meh."

[REHowardfanatic]

You know- I liked MERPS a lot and I got Rolemaster as a result as well... with the same results. MERPS was so amazing and RM is good, but just a huge let down when you've seen MERPS. I never tried HARP because I heard that it dumped the combat tables, which were IMO the best part of the game.

Never tried Champions. I never saw the need. Seriously, DC Heroes is the best RPG I've ever found for capes.

[Traveller]

I have Champions 4th Edition, and it's still arguably the best edition of that game system. 5th and 6th editions of the Hero System are now textbooks capable of stopping bullets.

DC Heroes: best Supers RPG ever.