Star Trek V

Tadhg · Post by **Tadhg** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 3:35 am

Hey, I haven't seen this yet. I'm a huge Trek fan from the old TV show and the movies, but after ST IV, I lost interest.

Well then about 6 months ago, I bought ST VI real cheap and loved the movie. And since then, I picked up all the others except ST V.

I've heard that this movie isn't that good (cuzz Shatner directed, hehe), but what do y'all think of it. Should I buy it!
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gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 3:43 am

Rhuvein wrote:
Hey, I haven't seen this yet. I'm a huge Trek fan from the old TV show and the movies, but after ST IV, I lost interest.

Well then about 6 months ago, I bought ST VI real cheap and loved the movie. And since then, I picked up all the others except ST V.

I've heard that this movie isn't that good (cuzz Shatner directed, hehe), but what do y'all think of it. Should I buy it!

Definitely. I have all of the original crew movies. Star Trek V is full of the same humor.
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serleran · Post by **serleran** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 3:46 am

Oh, that one. I remember it now. Its the one where Spock's brother tries to find God or something.

Yeah... I'd avoid it. But that's cause I've already watched it.

Traveller · Post by **Traveller** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 3:59 am

Only the rabid collectors bother with Star Trek V. It is a stain on the franchise that can only be cleansed by destroying the film negative.

I'm allowed to disrespect the film as much as I dare. After all, I LIKE Star Trek: The Motion Picture (most people don't), as it most closely represents Gene Roddenberry's true vision for the program. Unfortunately, vision doesn't always sell tickets. That's why Star Trek II and on have far more action than deep thinking.
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gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 4:52 am

*chuckles* Come on, ya got to admit getting Spock to sing Row Row Row your boat is Classic Star Trek wit. ^_^
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Post by **Breakdaddy** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 8:51 am

Star Trek V suckled pretty hard, IMO. It is the only one of the ST movies that I didnt bother buying after I watched it in the theater. Instead of buying it, do yourself a favor and just watch Wrath of Khan and pretend its ST V. Youll thank yourself if you realize what a stink festival V truly is....

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moriarty777 · Post by **moriarty777** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 9:22 am

I remember some time back when there was a fan-edit of Star Trek V... it was cut and arranged to give it a feel similar to the original series. The guy even incorporated the music of the original series for the music of this re-edit. I think about a third to half the movie ended up on the cutting room floor which made it pretty fantastic IMO.

For purposes of completeness, if you find it cheap, I'd say pick it up.

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Veritas · Post by **Veritas** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 12:45 pm

Star Trek V was garbage. As were Star Trek Generations and Insurrection and that latest piece of crap... the one with the romulan clone of Picard. I can't remember the name of it, but peeeeeyew... =P

ST 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, and First Contact were the good ones, and I'm a big Trek fan. I don't go so far as being the uber-trekkie, but I have gone to a few conventions, played the FASA rpg... stuff like that.

I understand that Shatner got hobbled quite a bit on ST V by the studio and Harve Bennet (I think), but it really was a pretty bad movie. I read the book and it was marginally better.

It's ironic that I've heard Paramount's new ST movie they're going to be making, having to do with Kirk and Spock in Starfleet Academy or somesuch, is very much like Bennet's idea for what ST 6 was supposed to be like.

Oh well... yeah. Star Trek V... *waves hand in front of nose* If you can pick it up on the cheap, like moriarty says, go for it. Otherwise, don't bother.

Post by **finarvyn** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 1:02 pm

My general rule of thumb is that even-numbered Star Trek movies were good, odd numbered ones were not.
FINARVYN'S FAST GUIDE TO CLASSIC TREK MOVIES:
ST-I: Too much time being amazed by what they saw, not enough shooting at it. ST-II: Awesome. Lots of Trek humor, shooting at bad guys, etc. ST-III: If they were going to end II the way they did, they should have had the guts to stay with it. A few classic moments, but overall sort of weak. Maybe okay since it "completes" the trilogy of II-III-IV. ST-IV: A bit hokey in terms of 20th century humor, but one of my favorites because of the quick plotline, etc. ST-V: I hate it when 20-years into a series they discover a relative who had never been mentioned in 20 years. Lots of standing around being amazed. Ugh. ST-VI: Klingons! Action and cool plot.
From here they stopped numbering and began inserting ST:TNG plotlines, so this ends the Classic Age of Trek.

Julian Grimm · Post by **Julian Grimm** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 4:12 pm

I agree mostly with the above. I thought 3 was jsust as good as 2 and 4 but maybe it was because for my birthday my mom took me to see it. However over time I've growm to like 4 less. Odd that but then again I'm burned on Treks time travel plots as a whole. (thank you Rick Berman)

There was no 5. No matter what you heard there was never a Star Trek 5.

6 was the best in the series by far. Almost like a classic episode made into a movie. There was one downside. I wish they had stuck to their guns and made Saavik the traitor instead of a different vulcan.

Now on to TNG for those that wanted to hear some ranting:

Generations: Trash. Bermans shoddy series finale is followed up by a poorly written movie. They even destroyed the Enterprise in a cheap way. I would have had her decomissioned at the end of the film instead of such a cheap death. Kirk wasn't in this. It was a parody of Kirk.

First Contact: Ugh! Time travel in another Berman Trek. Read Federation. It's a better story and I would have loved to have seen it a movie. The only cool parts in the movie is the opening Borg fight.

Insurrection: TNG has it's own ST5 now.

Nemisis: At the end they get it right. This was the best TNG film and the only one worth owning. Berman must have been sick when they made this for it to be so good.
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Dragonhelm · Post by **Dragonhelm** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 7:25 pm

There is some truth that the even-numbered Treks are the best ones. That being said, I don't think the odd-numbered ones are necessarily bad.

I've enjoyed all the Trek movies, though The Motion Picture is my least favorite, and V being next to that. I think of V as episode-quality, not movie-quality. Despite that, I think it was still fun.

Wrath of Khan is my fave, with Undiscovered Country right behind it (though I, too, wish that was Saavik).

Kirk's death was spot on, though I think I wouldn't have gone on past that. Still, it tied into Shatner's novels, so that works well for me. I liked most of the TNG movies, though I think the Borg Queen goes against the idea of a collective. I enjoyed the last movie too.

As for the possible prequel, I wish they wouldn't. Those are iconic characters. Nobody else can play them, IMO. Though I will watch Of Gods and Men for the Walter Koenig appearance.
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miller6 · Post by **miller6** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 8:24 pm

Love "The Kirk"...but the plot for Star Trek V wasn't nearly as good as II or IV or VI. Basically, I agree with the even number theory...the ones directed by Nemoy tend to have better story lines. IMHO Star Trek II was the best by far. Gotta love "The Kirk" vs. "The Khan." Could've been called "Clash of the super-ego over-actors". Gotta love em.

And the Next Generation Star Trek movies seem to follow a similar pattern. And once again, the 2nd movie - "First Contact" was the best of the series. I, for one, thought the borg queen rocked (whether or not she fit the "collective" concept). Her performance was good enough that I didn't even care about that. Yet another super-ego overactor character...which always make the best heroes and villains. Works for me.

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Tadhg · Post by **Tadhg** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 1:49 am

Traveller wrote:
I'm allowed to disrespect the film as much as I dare. After all, I LIKE Star Trek: The Motion Picture (most people don't), as it most closely represents Gene Roddenberry's true vision for the program. Unfortunately, vision doesn't always sell tickets. That's why Star Trek II and on have far more action than deep thinking.

I too really like ST the Motion Picture, but not because it was that good. Maybe more for what they could now with the the show via a large budget, big screen and special effect. So it was very interesting, but so got away from what made the TV show work, ie, the characters and their interacting. But once they got this movie out of the way and very smartly picked up the sequel idea of Khan from the TV espisode they got right on track.

Btw, loved the tribute to "D" or "Dee" - Deforest Kelley in STVI. Tremendously gifted actor.

Another Btw, no one has mentioned STVII - Galaxy Quest!
Anyone like that movie? I did, mostly because of Sigourney - oohh sexy biotch! Sorry.
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gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 2:23 am

Rhuvein wrote:
Another Btw, no one has mentioned STVII - Galaxy Quest!
Anyone like that movie? I did, mostly because of Sigourney - oohh sexy biotch! Sorry.

Absolutely hilarious. Now that they should have made into a TV series.
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JRR · Post by **JRR** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 5:58 am

Star Trek 5 could have been a different beast, had Shatner had his way.

Original Script Summary

In Shatner's first outline for Star Trek V a rogue Vulcan named Zar (later renamed Sybok) commandeers the Enterprise to seek out God. The mountain-climbing at Yosemite, the campfire scene, Zar's abduction of Klingon, Romulan, and human hostages in the failed desert boomtown of Paradise City ultimately survived into the finished film. (You'll have to imagine these scenes without the silly parts, and with a darker tone. Zar was much more sinister than the Sybok we wound up with. Originally, he was a very messianic, possessed kind of figure who was willing to trample anyone who got in his way). However, from midpoint to finish, the original storyline bears almost no relation to that of the actual theatrical release.

In Shatner's early versions, Zar (Sybok) is not related to Spock but instead is only a former acquaintance on Vulcan. After a long and intensive ground battle at Paradise City, the huge number of soldiers under Zar's command finally overwhelms the Federation troops (for an example of how much darker this was going to be, Zar would have been riding on a creature similar to a unicorn, which would have skewered a few troops with its horn). Facing defeat, Kirk manages to set a fatal trap but Spock ruins the ploy by warning off Zar. Spock's explanation for his actions is that he feels Zar is so brilliant that it is possible he really could be the Messiah, which does not soothe Kirk's anger at his friend. As seen in the final film, Zar uses images of their past to convert McCoy and Spock to his cause. They become believers and, unlike the filmed version, Zar then uses the same technique on Kirk.

Zar immediately speaks to Kirk's lack of family, and dredges up Kirk's self-imposed feelings of responsibility and guilt over the death of his son, David. Promising that a meeting with God will cure even such deeply embedded pain, Zar implores Kirk to believe in him as well. Kirk reluctantly agrees, and joins Spock and Bones on the surface of God's planet.

An awesome Godlike image appears, surrounded by angels, and demands that the Enterprise transport him back toward more populated sections of the universe. Kirk then challenges 'God,' and an argument ensues. As it escalates, 'God' begins showing his true colors and his image begins to transform, ultimately becoming unmistakably Satan-like. The angels simultaneously change into hordes of gargoyles, the Furies of Hell. At that point, Kirk, Spock, and McCoy, still suffering from the effects of their first real adversarial relationship, split up, with each man running in a separate direction. McCoy falls, breaking his leg, and is surround by the Furies, as is Spock. At the same time, however, Kirk has broken free, but even with a clear path toward escape, a last look back at the fates of his friends convinces Kirk to go back, risking his life in an effort to save them. Spock is first, and when he's been successfully freed, the pair immediately joins forces in an attempt to save McCoy, who's already been carried away by the minions into Hell. Descending together into the river Styx, Spock and Kirk fight off their hideous attackers and save their injured friend, with Kirk carrying McCoy on his shoulders as they flee.

The trio find that the shuttlecraft has been damaged by the Furies. Scott is forced to beam them aboard the Enterprise one at a time, due to low power. Once Spock and McCoy are aboard, Scott beams a Fury, who grabbed Kirk's communicator, onto the ship. Scott grabs a hand phaser and kills the Fury, damaging the only working transporter in the process. Trapped on the planet, Kirk is pursued once more by the Furies of Hell. After free climbing a small mountain, Kirk turns around and begins killing as many of the Furies as possible, armed with a phaser in each hand. Running out of phaser ammunition and horribly outnumbered, Kirk appears to be in a hopeless situation until the Klingon Bird of Prey decloaks and begins blowing many of the Furies apart, the rest scurrying away. Kirk screams, "You want me, you Klingon bastards? Come and get me!" and begins firing the two hand phasers at the vessel. As in the final film, he is beamed aboard to find that Spock is actually the gunner.
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gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 5:08 pm

JRR wrote:
Star Trek 5 could have been a different beast, had Shatner had his way.

The FX people would have had a ball methinks.
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Omote · Post by **Omote** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 5:49 pm

It first I thought this was a joke question?!

ST5 is worthless and i don;t even consider it part of the movie series.

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Traveller · Post by **Traveller** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 11:48 pm

Jack Marshall did a fan edit of the film called "In Thy Image" (named after the unused Star Trek: Phase II script which eventually became Star Trek: The Motion Picture).

[From the NFO for the DVD ISO image...]

STAR TREK Phase II "In Thy Image" based upon Star Trek V: The Final Frontier

In the fall of 1977, Star Trek was poised for a comeback. After being cancelled in 1969, a revival of the series called Star Trek Phase II was planned to begin airing in the fall of 1978 on the then proposed 4th network, The Paramount Network. Sets and props were constructed, screen tests done and several scripts developed including In Thy Image, the proposed pilot. The ship was being updated and all but one original cast member, Leonard Nimoy (Spock), had signed on when Paramount pulled the plug. Seeing the success of the previous years blockbuster Star Wars, the new Trek show was cancelled in favor of creating Star Trek: The Motion Picture.

Now, more than 20 years later, Star Trek has released a total of 10 films, and has spawned 4 spin-off series over 700 hours of storytelling. But had it not been for Star Wars, we would not have the Trek we know today. Had Star Wars not forced Paramount to go with a movie, there would have been no Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, Voyager or Enterprise. Most likely the show would have run for 5 years, then been relegated to syndication, thus ending Trek for good.

With over 700 hours of stories, theres bound to be a few adventures that dont hit home with the fans. For many this describes Star Trek V: The Final Frontier. But for me, I found Trek V to be the movie that most reminded me of the original series with which I had grown up. So, to showcase what I believe to be a very underrated film, I offer this remixed version called: Star Trek Phase II In Thy Image the re-imagined pilot episode of the Lost Trek series.

This remixed version of Trek V runs 63 minutes (the same runtime as the original pilot, The Cage). The story is broken up into the traditional Trek format of a teaser and five acts. Also, the storyline has been altered, removing those things fans found most objectionable like a certain Vulcans new half brother or a turbolift shaft that travels through 78 decks (when we KNOW the ship only has 21 decks total!!)

The music score has been enhanced with music from the original series, as well as many classic sound effects such as the bridge ambient noise, the planet background sounds and other effects having been added. In addition, several special effects have been replaced.

So, forget what you know about Star Trek. Imagine turning the dial (manually) to September of 1978 to the premiere of the new Trek show. Theres a new ship, the 1701-A, the familiar crew, albeit older and wiser, and when its over you realize that this IS Star Trek. An alien convinces a crazy Vulcan that hes God? Crazy Vulcan in turn hijacks the Enterprise and heads for the center of the galaxy with Kirk and company in tow? Kirk stands toe to toe with said alien and kicks his ass? Sounds like an original series episode to me!

Enjoy and remember, this is provided as a collectors oddity only. If you buy it or sell it youre BREAKING THE LAW. Star Trek is owned by Paramount Pictures and no infringement is intended.

Live Long!

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moriarty777 · Post by **moriarty777** » Tue Nov 07, 2006 1:27 am

THAT'S THE ONE!

The one I was mentioning in my previous post on this thread. I've seen this cut... and it's actually pretty good!

(It couldn't get any worse right?)

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Julian Grimm · Post by **Julian Grimm** » Tue Nov 07, 2006 3:24 am

JRR wrote:
Star Trek 5 could have been a different beast, had Shatner had his way.

Ok I read that. Reread it and man, I wish that film had made it to the theaters. It could have been the ultimate Trek. If the series had kept other ideas like Saavak being pregnant with spocks son and her later betrayal of the Fedration I would have loved the movie series much more than I do now.
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Traveller · Post by **Traveller** » Tue Nov 07, 2006 4:55 pm

moriarty777 wrote:
THAT'S THE ONE!

The one I was mentioning in my previous post on this thread. I've seen this cut... and it's actually pretty good!

(It couldn't get any worse right?)

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I'm downloading it now through bittorrent.
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