LotFP Based Encumbrance for C&C

[Demiurge]

I started a new campaign yesterday and decided to start using encumbrance. In short, my players hated it. I searched the forums here to see what others were using and found that some folks use the LotFP system. I downloaded the free PDF of the rules and adapted the encumbrance system slightly for C&C which I've listed below. Let me know what you think.

I believe this is allowed per the OGL statement in the LotFP PDF. If I'm violating any policies, please let me know and I'll remove this.

Wearing armor with a C&C EV of 2* 0
Wearing armor with a C&C EV of 3* +1
Wearing armor with a C&C EV of 4* +2
Carrying 6 - 10 items** +1
Carrying 11 - 15 items** +2
Carrying 21 or more items** +3
Carrying an oversized item*** +1 per item

Modifiers
-1 point if STR is a prime
-1 point if CON is a prime
-1 point if a dwarf
-1 for expert or magic armor

* Armor only counts towards this category

** Multiple small items of the same type (spikes, arrows, etc.) count as one item for this purpose.
Worn clothing/armor/jewelry does not count for encumbrance purposes. All weapons count as separate items. Very small single items do not count for encumbrance purposes. Oversized items are counted separately.

***Oversized items include great and other two-handed weapons, any item that requires two hands to carry or is as tall as the carrying character.

Encumbrance Points Encumbrance (See C&C PH for encumbrance penalties)
0 - 1 None
2 Light
3 Moderate
4 Heavy
5+ Overburdened

[Lord Dynel]

Hey, Demi. I've been wanting to post on this thread but I didn't want to be the first. But since you wanted a some feedback, and yet to receive any, I figure I'll post. Unfortunately, I don't havve much good advice on this subject...which why I haven't posted in the first place. I don't know what it is about the system, I don't like it. Maybe it's me, but it's even more abstract than the C&C method, in my opinion. There seems to be a lot of conditions that you have to keep track of (am I over 5 items? over 10 items? converting EVs, keeping track of whether primes and races then possibly have that come back later to haunt you when your weight doesn't add up).

I don't know, maybe I'm dumping on it a little too hard. If so, I apologize. I'm considering doing something different also but not quite sure what yet. I was thinking of using the 2e AD&D method (not the larger table, but the smaller one) but for now I'm sticking with RAW. In the end, if you like it and see it as a viable option then I say go for it.

[Demiurge]

No worries, LD. I'm not really sure if it works for me either. My players bemoaned C&C encumbrance so I'm exploring alternatives.

I'll dig out my 2e books and take a look at that system as well.

[Lord Dynel]

Yeah, my players did the same. What I've been looking at from 2e, the Character Encumberance chart (in the original "horseman" cover, it's page 76) in the "Equipment" section. Since C&C uses the same categories ("None" for "Unencumbered" and "Overburdened" for "Severe") one could use the chart in the 2e AD&D PHB and use encumberance modifiers from the C&C PHB (page 48, 4th print).

So, your fighter with a 16 Strength is carrying 112 pound of gear and equipment. Using the AD&D chart, we figure he is Moderately Encumbered. Using the C&C modifiers for this, we find his movement is reduced by half and suffers a +2 on all Dex-based checks.

[tylermo]

I'll have to check out the 2E way. I don't have the late 80's cores. I suppose the 2.5 book was the same?

[Lord Dynel]

I'll have to check out the 2E way. I don't have the late 80's cores. I suppose the 2.5 book was the same?

It should be. Mechanics were, more or less, the same.

EDIT: I wasn't thinking Player's Option when I read your post. Now I am, though, and yes Table 54 in S&P is the same (though a little condensed) as Table 47 from the PHB (1st iteration).