I'm not sure if the old board is still up,so I'll repost a question I asked there.
Are there any rules for gun powder weapons & combat?? As I said before I'm thinking of converting the Warhammer Fantasy setting to C&C,so any help is appreciated.
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Gun powder Rules
I have included a Musketeer class and some firearms rules in my campaign book at http://www.angelfire.com/rpg2/ancientworlds/lingusia
for C&C. They might help....I try to make them suitably deadly!
for C&C. They might help....I try to make them suitably deadly!
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cleaverthepit
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Gunpowder Rules
Here are my rules for Gunpowder weapons. The target of a gunpowder shot has their AC for Armor reduced by 4. This means if you are AC 15 in chainmail and no dex bonus, your AC is now 11 against being shot. AC 18 in platemail becomes AC 14 against bullets (the armor still helps but not nearly as much as it used to). A person AC 15 in studded leather (+2 from dex) is AC 12 against bullets (loses the armor AC but not the Dex). Metal shields still provide +1 AC bonus against bullets, but wooden shields do not. While a bullet would still likely go through a metal shield, the metal shield will reduce the velocity/change the angle of the shot enough to provide a +1 AC bonus, while the wooden shield will just have a hole in it.
If you are using my optional Shield Deflecting rules (see crusader boards) a shield CANNOT be used to deflect a bullet.
Assumming 17th century firearms, there are two main types of guns available.
Pistols do d6 damage. On a natural roll of 6 for damage, roll another d6 and add the result to the damage total. Keep doing this till you roll somethig other than 6. A pistol has a range of 20/40/60 feet. Range penalties are -1 for close, -3 for medium, and -6 for far. Pistols are notoriously inaccurate. Pistols have a point blank range of 10 feet. At point blank, there is no penalty to hit.
Muskets do d10 damage. On a natural roll of 9 or 10, roll another d10 and add the result to the damage total. Keep doing this till you roll somethign other than 9 or 10. A musket has a range of 50/100/150 feet. The penalties are -1 close, -3 for medium, and -6 for far. Muskets have a point blank range of 25 feet. At point blank, the shooter has no penalty to hit.
The effect of weapons like this on the rules:
If guns are common, a lot less people will wear armor, as it slows their movement and is relatively inneffective against guns.
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If you are using my optional Shield Deflecting rules (see crusader boards) a shield CANNOT be used to deflect a bullet.
Assumming 17th century firearms, there are two main types of guns available.
Pistols do d6 damage. On a natural roll of 6 for damage, roll another d6 and add the result to the damage total. Keep doing this till you roll somethig other than 6. A pistol has a range of 20/40/60 feet. Range penalties are -1 for close, -3 for medium, and -6 for far. Pistols are notoriously inaccurate. Pistols have a point blank range of 10 feet. At point blank, there is no penalty to hit.
Muskets do d10 damage. On a natural roll of 9 or 10, roll another d10 and add the result to the damage total. Keep doing this till you roll somethign other than 9 or 10. A musket has a range of 50/100/150 feet. The penalties are -1 close, -3 for medium, and -6 for far. Muskets have a point blank range of 25 feet. At point blank, the shooter has no penalty to hit.
The effect of weapons like this on the rules:
If guns are common, a lot less people will wear armor, as it slows their movement and is relatively inneffective against guns.
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These rules will probably be a fit since they're alchemical in nature:
Or ifyou want magitech firearms and more, here's a freebie off from Malhavoc Games.
http://www.montecook.com/images/Technology.pdf
http://www.montecook.com/cgi-bin/page.c ... hancements
http://privateerpress.com/docs/privateer_firearms.pdfQuote:
Iron Kingdoms firearms are quite different than their real-real-world historical counterparts they are not intended to adhere exactly to
Earth history. More importantly, they are not intended to replace bows and crossbows in the game.
Or ifyou want magitech firearms and more, here's a freebie off from Malhavoc Games.
http://www.montecook.com/images/Technology.pdf
http://www.montecook.com/cgi-bin/page.c ... hancements
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Combat_Kyle
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Here are my rules, a hodgepodge of ideas of my own and other people.
Weapon Damage Range Cost Weight
Pocket Pistol 1d4 20ft 100gp 2lbs
Cavalry Pistol 2d4 30ft 150gp 3lbs
Musket 3d4 60ft 200gp 8lbs
Rifle 3d4 30ft 275gp 7lbs
Scatter Gun*3d4/2d4/1d4 10ft/20ft/30ft 350gp 9lbs
A scatter gun hits all targets in a path 10ft wide and 30ft long. The listed damage is for each listed distance.
All firearms have open ended damage. The player re-rolls all fours. This replicates the potential for a very deadly shot.
It takes 3 rounds to re-load pistols, 4 for muskets and rifles, 5 for the scatter gun.
Armor only provides 1/2 normal bonus versus firearms, ignore shields except for pavis.
Critical hits do maximum damage x2.
Critical failures: On a natural 1, the player makes a percentile roll for the following effects.
01-20: Explosive misfire: character takes 2d6 open ended damage (Dex save for ), and weapon is destroyed.
21-60: Typical Misfire: weapon does not fire properly, powder is lost and weapon must be reloaded.
61-00: Jamming misfire: round becomes jammed in barrel, character must spend 1d4+1 rounds clearing jam before attempting to re-load.
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Weapon Damage Range Cost Weight
Pocket Pistol 1d4 20ft 100gp 2lbs
Cavalry Pistol 2d4 30ft 150gp 3lbs
Musket 3d4 60ft 200gp 8lbs
Rifle 3d4 30ft 275gp 7lbs
Scatter Gun*3d4/2d4/1d4 10ft/20ft/30ft 350gp 9lbs
A scatter gun hits all targets in a path 10ft wide and 30ft long. The listed damage is for each listed distance.
All firearms have open ended damage. The player re-rolls all fours. This replicates the potential for a very deadly shot.
It takes 3 rounds to re-load pistols, 4 for muskets and rifles, 5 for the scatter gun.
Armor only provides 1/2 normal bonus versus firearms, ignore shields except for pavis.
Critical hits do maximum damage x2.
Critical failures: On a natural 1, the player makes a percentile roll for the following effects.
01-20: Explosive misfire: character takes 2d6 open ended damage (Dex save for ), and weapon is destroyed.
21-60: Typical Misfire: weapon does not fire properly, powder is lost and weapon must be reloaded.
61-00: Jamming misfire: round becomes jammed in barrel, character must spend 1d4+1 rounds clearing jam before attempting to re-load.
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The beginnings of my homebrew campaign world and info for my play by chat game:
http://kbdekker.googlepages.com/home
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Thulcondar
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Camazotz wrote:
I have included a Musketeer class and some firearms rules in my campaign book at http://www.angelfire.com/rpg2/ancientworlds/lingusia
for C&C. They might help....I try to make them suitably deadly!
I think there's something wrong with your index file on the site. You can see all the html tags...
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Lucifer_Draconus
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I'll reread these asap . Even though I've chosen not to convert WHFRPG to C&C at this time I'll still have use for it. BTW has there been any word on possible official Gunpowder weapon rules & equiptment listings in upcoming products ?
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Go0gleplex
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Things to keep in mind that may or may not help ;
Armor didn't even slow down old black powder slugs. In fact, the heavier metal armor made the slug even more deadly since it added shrapnel and fragmented the slug.
So Armor bonuses are probably safe to ignore. If armor is worn, Dmg should be increased by the AC bonus provided by the armor, hence AC bonus of +4 would make the damage increase by +4 from the shrapnel effect.
This won't be too much of a disadvantage since black powder smooth bores were notoriously inaccurate...so a -2 to hit penalty and no DEX mod is probably appropriate. (Rifles need strength to hold steady, not dex as anyone who's shot black powder can attest.)
Smooth bores are also slow to load, so fire every other round due to reloading is also likely appropriate. Even if you have a crude breach loader with paper cartridge like alchemical system, there should be a speed penalty to the initiative roll of 3 or 4. (load the cartridge in, close the breech screw/bolt, lift to shoulder, aim, pull trigger, try not to land on your ass or get burned / blinded etc. )
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Armor didn't even slow down old black powder slugs. In fact, the heavier metal armor made the slug even more deadly since it added shrapnel and fragmented the slug.
So Armor bonuses are probably safe to ignore. If armor is worn, Dmg should be increased by the AC bonus provided by the armor, hence AC bonus of +4 would make the damage increase by +4 from the shrapnel effect.
This won't be too much of a disadvantage since black powder smooth bores were notoriously inaccurate...so a -2 to hit penalty and no DEX mod is probably appropriate. (Rifles need strength to hold steady, not dex as anyone who's shot black powder can attest.)
Smooth bores are also slow to load, so fire every other round due to reloading is also likely appropriate. Even if you have a crude breach loader with paper cartridge like alchemical system, there should be a speed penalty to the initiative roll of 3 or 4. (load the cartridge in, close the breech screw/bolt, lift to shoulder, aim, pull trigger, try not to land on your ass or get burned / blinded etc. )
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Didn't really consider a Musketeer class myself. I figured that Fighters would be the only ones to really have the benefit of using firearms (wheellock pistols, rifles and the hand cannon). Nice touch about armour giving no benefit. For myself, base AC 10+Dex Bonus (if any)+Shield Bonus (if any).
Of course, firearms should do significant damage in my opinion. 3d4 for pistol, 3d6 for rifle, 4d6+4 for hand cannon. But, the -2 penalty to hit also sounds good as well as a Reliabilty Check (d20, roll under): 16 for pistols/rifles, 12 for hand cannon. Reload rate is once every minute (pre-measured cartridges being unknown at this time).
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Of course, firearms should do significant damage in my opinion. 3d4 for pistol, 3d6 for rifle, 4d6+4 for hand cannon. But, the -2 penalty to hit also sounds good as well as a Reliabilty Check (d20, roll under): 16 for pistols/rifles, 12 for hand cannon. Reload rate is once every minute (pre-measured cartridges being unknown at this time).
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Go0gleplex
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I missed the reload time in the stuff above. My bad. Ignore the every other round...
someone well practiced would probably take between 45 and 90 seconds to reload. Paper cartridge increased the fire rate to about 3 times per minute max. rate with practice.
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someone well practiced would probably take between 45 and 90 seconds to reload. Paper cartridge increased the fire rate to about 3 times per minute max. rate with practice.
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"Author of Wardogs! and Contributor to Iron Stars and Starmada-Admiralty ed."
"Certified crazy since 2009."