Blackmoor to C&C Conversion

Tron · Post by **Tron** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 2:50 am

Hello all...

I'm considering converting Blackmoor to C&C. Not really that tough of a "conversion", but I would like some opinions on a couple of class issues.

#1 Would you convert the new classes (arcane warrior, noble, & wokan) to C&C?

#2 Should the prestige classes be converted? Maybe they should just be new classes and not prestige classes?

Part of me thinks you could drop the whole thing and not really lose the flavor of the setting. Hey...you can probably accomplish most of it with the existing C&C classes and multi-classing rules. At the end of the day isn't an arcane warrior really just a fighter/mage or perhaps a paladin/mage?

I'm also curious (if anyone has an idea) how long these "classes" have been around. Were they just created to conform to d20? Has Arneson been running them as special house rule classes since the beginning? Any input you can provide is appreciated.

gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 2:55 am

In short, its easier to just use C&C classes and monster equivalents. Making new classes and races isn't that involved an operation. Its just a matter of changing the major class 'feats' into class abilties and working out an approximate xp chart.
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serleran · Post by **serleran** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 3:00 am

Using existing systems is preferable to creating new ones, unless the new ones are warranted. For example, in my world, the races are so different than presented in the PHB that I made them classes of their own. As far as converting specific classes... I'd imagine the wokan would be a slightly tweaked druid, and the others didn't seem that different. Prestige classes, to me, should be accomplished by actual gameplay (ie, rewarding good roleplaying) and not something one actively seeks (the exception would have been assassin, but as that is a class of its own, its voided.)

In the end, if mechanics are needed to justify a "feel," then you'll notice it nearly immediately. However, I suggest trying the basic stuff first... and you might just decide to leave as-is. This, then, would also indicate that the stuff you were converting from didn't "need" that either...

Omote · Post by **Omote** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 3:09 am

Personally I'd just switch to the C&C rules/classes, etc. without any modification -BUT- due to the specifics of the Blackmoor setting, I might create a new class or two.

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Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:01 am

I would convert the Wokan, and just allow for a fighter/mage dual class option for the arcane warrior.

As for the PrC's, I don't think they are needed to maintain flavor of Blackmoor. After all, did Dave Arneson have PrC's in the campaign back in the day?

Tron · Post by **Tron** » Sat Dec 09, 2006 7:22 am

Thats exactly my question....

Arneson certainly didn't have prestige classes back in the day. However, are the classes based on anything from those games?? Are they conversions of house rule classes he created? Or are they just contrived for d20 purposes?

I'd love to hear from someone who actually played in those early campaigns!!

Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Sat Dec 09, 2006 5:18 pm

Your best bet for that question id to go to the Blackmoor message boards and ask them directly. I go there to play in a Blackmoor PbP.

Julian Grimm · Post by **Julian Grimm** » Sat Dec 09, 2006 9:20 pm

Tron wrote:
Thats exactly my question....

Arneson certainly didn't have prestige classes back in the day. However, are the classes based on anything from those games?? Are they conversions of house rule classes he created? Or are they just contrived for d20 purposes?

I'd love to hear from someone who actually played in those early campaigns!!

As would I. I'll venture a guess and say that the PrC's were created for the D20 version. Since Blackmoor began in OD&D I doubt there was much more that the stuff in the books. There may have been some added classes but Arneson does seem as open to discussion as Gary is about GH.

However I could be wrong since he may post more on his messageboard.
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Gribble · Post by **Gribble** » Sun Dec 10, 2006 3:42 pm

Don't know if you've got this already, but here's the link to the OD&D book off of Arneson's old site:
http://www.jovianclouds.com/blackmoor/D ... R2004).pdf

serleran · Post by **serleran** » Sun Dec 10, 2006 3:46 pm

I don't really care if Dave played with that kind of thing, but "wokani" existed in AD&D, as monster spellcasters. Making them a playable race/class is not improbable, as the druid began its career as a "monster" as well. So, perhaps some theory elements existed way back in the early-mid 70s, but the hows, and wherefor particulars more than likely have been lost, re-shuffled, and mutilated to match the d20 paradigm.

Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Sun Dec 10, 2006 5:17 pm

Gribble wrote:
Don't know if you've got this already, but here's the link to the OD&D book off of Arneson's old site:
http://www.jovianclouds.com/blackmoor/D ... R2004).pdf

It looks like it is legal to download. Cool stuff. I already have the map, but it was cool to read throught the adventure.

Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Sun Dec 10, 2006 5:35 pm

Oh, and the link needs the TSR 2004 and pdf part added to work properly.

moriarty777 · Post by **moriarty777** » Mon Dec 11, 2006 6:30 am

Thanks for the link!

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Post by **finarvyn** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 3:01 pm

Any updates on the conversion? And, will you share when finished? This is one of the many projects that I always intended to get around to, but as yet have not.

phantos · Post by **phantos** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 10:20 pm

Gribble wrote:
Don't know if you've got this already, but here's the link to the OD&D book off of Arneson's old site:

blackmoor/D&D%20-%20Supplement%202%20-%20Blackmoor%20(TSR2004).pdf

thanks a bunch for that link. I haven't read this piece in years...

since my mother sold it at a garage sale in '85 I think. ouch.

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