Codex Germania?

Julian Grimm · Post by **Julian Grimm** » Sat Dec 23, 2006 3:44 am

I remember hearing about this but haven't heard much more about it. Are the trolls still working on this or have they shelved it for the time being?
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serleran · Post by **serleran** » Sat Dec 23, 2006 2:38 pm

Originally, it was to be done by Rob Kuntz, but things happened and it was left on the sideburner, and eventually moved on. I have heard rumor of another author, though cannot divulge the name (not me, in case you're curious), so if true... the book is in development. Otherwise... unless someone opts to take the reins, my guess (and that is all it is), is that this is something that has unfinished potential.

Troll Lord · Post by **Troll Lord** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 3:53 pm

We have resurrected the concept for the Codex series. This will be a series of books detailing various religions and pantheons for C&C. Germania will be the first. We have not yet settled on format, size or release date. But we've engaged Mike Stewart (Sieg) to be the head writer on the project.

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Rigon · Post by **Rigon** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 4:49 pm

Troll Lord wrote:
We have resurrected the concept for the Codex series. This will be a series of books detailing various religions and pantheons for C&C. Germania will be the first. We have not yet settled on format, size or release date. But we've engaged Mike Stewart (Sieg) to be the head writer on the project.

Steve

SWEET!!

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moriarty777 · Post by **moriarty777** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 4:57 pm

Great news!

I'm sure that Sieg will do the project justice!

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Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 7:26 pm

Good for Sieg!

Omote · Post by **Omote** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 7:31 pm

I remember hearing about this back in the day, but what is Codex Germania? Is this project in relation to real-life German concepts? Does this have some thing to do with Erde? What's the dee-lee-o?

Thx.

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Rigon · Post by **Rigon** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 8:26 pm

I beleive it is a codex of real world germanic deities and religions.

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Omote · Post by **Omote** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 10:09 pm

If that is the case, then that is soooo badass. A setting or book using Germanic mythoi, especially with a dark ages flavor to it is the crux of so many campaigns I wanted to run for so many years.

Back in college I played such a game using a system called Das Schwatrze Auge. The game was cool because it was a late middle-ages, low-magic, Germanic setting. I've strove to recreate this, even so far as getting the actual german RPG it was based off of (The Dark Eye) but have never been able to find a definative resource.

CODEX GERMANIA might be what I was always looking for. 8)

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Tadhg · Post by **Tadhg** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 10:21 pm

Troll Lord wrote:
We have resurrected the concept for the Codex series. This will be a series of books detailing various religions and pantheons for C&C. Germania will be the first. We have not yet settled on format, size or release date. But we've engaged Mike Stewart (Sieg) to be the head writer on the project.

Steve

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catenwolde · Post by **catenwolde** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:53 am

Hmm ... is the focus only on religion, or on the culture as a whole? I've been toying with something similar for Bronze Age Greece and the Aegean.

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sieg · Post by **sieg** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 2:48 am

Ummm. Hi. Yeah, that's me. The author in charge and all that.

So yes, CG is back on. I don't know what RJK had in mind, but I'm going to start afresh here. I figure "In for a penny, in for a pound" and all that. Or Fenning/Mark; you get the idea.
Anyway, if anyone has suggestions on what you'd like to see in the book(S) please post here. I'm thinking with "Germanic" we might go for Saxon, early Frankish, and general Teuton Mythology with perhaps some Norse if space allows. I've always thought Pagan Purssian/Lithuanian would be interesting, but that might be too much Osten, as it were.

Let us know what you're interested in!

...and Steve, you owe me another beer.
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Tadhg · Post by **Tadhg** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 3:19 am

sieg wrote:
Ummm. Hi. Yeah, that's me. The author in charge and all that.

So yes, CG is back on. I don't know what RJK had in mind, but I'm going to start afresh here. I figure "In for a penny, in for a pound" and all that. Or Fenning/Mark; you get the idea.
Anyway, if anyone has suggestions on what you'd like to see in the book(S) please post here. I'm thinking with "Germanic" we might go for Saxon, early Frankish, and general Teuton Mythology with perhaps some Norse if space allows. I've always thought Pagan Purssian/Lithuanian would be interesting, but that might be too much Osten, as it were.

Let us know what you're interested in!

...and Steve, you owe me another beer.

Excellent! And very interesting indeed. I was discussing mythology last year with Gary via posting and in particular Lithuanian Mythology. My wife is Lithuanian and I was at first surprised to discover that there is a pantheon/mythology. And then after thinking about it, I thought DUH. Of course, most, if not all European countries would have had a mythology before accepting/converting to Christianity.

Indeed, the similarities between German, Norse and Saxon myths is remarkable, but yeah, they should be . . . due to the history and proximity of these countries.

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Julian Grimm · Post by **Julian Grimm** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 5:58 pm

Omote wrote:
If that is the case, then that is soooo badass. A setting or book using Germanic mythoi, especially with a dark ages flavor to it is the crux of so many campaigns I wanted to run for so many years.

Back in college I played such a game using a system called Das Schwatrze Auge. The game was cool because it was a late middle-ages, low-magic, Germanic setting. I've strove to recreate this, even so far as getting the actual german RPG it was based off of (The Dark Eye) but have never been able to find a definative resource.

CODEX GERMANIA might be what I was always looking for. 8)

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Definately something I want. It would fit in nicely to my own homebrew and my own concepts of Greyhawk. Please say this will be in C&C format.
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Julian Grimm · Post by **Julian Grimm** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 6:29 pm

Oh, any chance we can see a preview soon?
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sieg · Post by **sieg** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 8:05 pm

Julian Grimm wrote:
Oh, any chance we can see a preview soon?

We haven't even hammered out the details of the contract yet! (re: Winter LGGC) But gimme a couple of weeks after the con and I'll see what I can throw together.
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gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 10:36 pm

I dunno, Seig. A book just on the variations between the aformentioned cultures alone would be a hell of a book.

Twould make a good place for the 'cultural race-classes' idea I have been bandying about.

Towit.. why just have a 'generic' human? Why not have a "Northman" or a "Horselord" or a "Plainsmen", ect variant on the human that comes with specific cultural abilties.

Horsmanship, survival in a given type of environment, tracking, various types of craft abilties. The options are wide.

One has a wide variety of elves and dwarves, why not humans?
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Omote · Post by **Omote** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 11:15 pm

Julian Grimm wrote:
Please say this will be in C&C format.

In C&C format, or just generic, both would be superlative.

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Lurker · Post by **Lurker** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 9:20 pm

To cool.

Right up my tree!

I got a celtic 3.e PDF on my last trip and spent hours planning on converting it to C&C.

sieg · Post by **sieg** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 11:47 pm

Yes, it will be in C&C stats....maybe LA too (don't know for sure). Though I'm leery of Gods having hit points.
So far, the idea is to cover Germanic, Norse, Finnish, and maybe Lithuanian Pagan deities as well as go into the mythologies a bit more than say the 1E De&Dmg did.

BTW, anyone with advice on where to find info on Lithuanian gods please let me know!

As for timeline, its second after a current project line of books Steve corraled me into doing but I'm hoping GenCon 07. We shall see.
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Rigon · Post by **Rigon** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 2:53 am

Let me just say again, SWEET!

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Tadhg · Post by **Tadhg** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 4:27 am

sieg wrote:
BTW, anyone with advice on where to find info on Lithuanian gods please let me know!

Yes, yes for sure.

Gary and I have actually discussed this topic (well, via posts on the old Lejendary site which is defunct but Greg Ellis and others are trying to restore some of the posts), so I'll look into this. Incidentally, my wife is Lithuanian so, therefore the interest.
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sieg · Post by **sieg** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 7:47 pm

Great! Keep me posted, or drop me an email at sieg (at) dragonsfoot (dot) org when you get a c chance...
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Catweazle · Post by **Catweazle** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 9:22 pm

In the meantime, I'd recommend the Larousse Encyclopedia of Mythology.
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moriarty777 · Post by **moriarty777** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 5:16 am

sieg wrote:
Yes, it will be in C&C stats....maybe LA too (don't know for sure). Though I'm leery of Gods having hit points.
So far, the idea is to cover Germanic, Norse, Finnish, and maybe Lithuanian Pagan deities as well as go into the mythologies a bit more than say the 1E De&Dmg did.

BTW, anyone with advice on where to find info on Lithuanian gods please let me know!

As for timeline, its second after a current project line of books Steve corraled me into doing but I'm hoping GenCon 07. We shall see.

The way I've always handled the notion of gods with stats and hit points was simple... Those were only Avatars of the gods in question. And now that you've *somehow* killed their Avatar, they're PISSED OFF!

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sieg · Post by **sieg** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 8:16 pm

Truth is, that's how I handled 'em too. But the "Avatars" were the De&Dmg stats, not the wimpy avatars from 2E!
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moriarty777 · Post by **moriarty777** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 12:36 am

sieg wrote:
Truth is, that's how I handled 'em too. But the "Avatars" were the De&Dmg stats, not the wimpy avatars from 2E!

The ones in 2E were the 'crazies' those who thought they were avatars!

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Cuchulain · Post by **Cuchulain** » Tue Feb 06, 2007 6:51 pm

Rob Kuntz's version is selling on ebay this week...

I'm looking forward to Sieg's