Monster & Treasure Expanded

[TheMetal1]

Just pondering some ideas here. Kind of a wish-list but wondered what you all might think:

1. Would the Trolls considering making a Monsters & Treasure Complete, that included Monsters & Treasure, Monsters & Treasure of Ahirde, and Classic Monsters, along with appropriate entries from The Black Libram of Natarus, Rune Lore, Haunted Highlands, Codex Ahirde, Of Gods & Monsters, etc. Ideally, all in alphabetical order, but would still welcome all books bound together as one.

2. In said product a picture of each monster

3. A book of Pawns - along the lines of Pathfinder Pawns for Castles & Crusades based off the Artwork already available. Color would be cool, but would welcome the art as is.

I know there are already Tokens available through Fantasy Grounds, so this might be one option, but the pawns pretty cool.

[kreider204]

Just pondering some ideas here. Kind of a wish-list but wondered what you all might think:

1. Would the Trolls considering making a Monsters & Treasure Complete, that included Monsters & Treasure, Monsters & Treasure of Ahirde, and Classic Monsters, along with appropriate entries from The Black Libram of Natarus, Rune Lore, Haunted Highlands, Codex Ahirde, Of Gods & Monsters, etc. Ideally, all in alphabetical order, but would still welcome all books bound together as one.

2. In said product a picture of each monster.

Don't forget to include M&T of the Wilderlands!

PS: I would totally buy this ...

[Arduin]

I HIGHLY doubt that setting specific monsters book will be combined with a generic monster book as a main line product. But, that's just from what I've seen elsewhere in the industry over time...

[Traveller]

Monsters & Treasure, Classic Monsters, and Tome of the Unclean would likely be a better combination since they are all generic monster books. Will it happen? Not likely, but it would be cool to see.

[dachda]

Don't forget that Monsters and Treasures of Aihrde also includes a lot of natural creatures like the wolverine that should have but weren't included in the M&T. At least those critters ought to be in some Monster Opus.

[Omote]

Monsters & Treasure, Classic Monsters, and Tome of the Unclean would likely be a better combination since they are all generic monster books. Will it happen? Not likely, but it would be cool to see.

This right here.

~O

[Rigon]

Monsters & Treasure, Classic Monsters, and Tome of the Unclean would likely be a better combination since they are all generic monster books. Will it happen? Not likely, but it would be cool to see.

This right here.

~O

Yes, please.

R-

[Treebore]

If its going to be done, I'd rather go all out and do as Metal said. I don't care if something was put out for a specific setting, at one point and time a lot of the monsters were created for a specific module back in the 1E AD&D days, and then were compiled into a monster book to be used by anyone for any setting. So give me one massive tome compiling everything. My Tome of Horrors Complete is feeling lonely in its massiveness.

[TheMetal1]

Good call with the Tome of the Unclean and M&T Highlands.

Tree is right, C&C needs a Tome of Horrors size book. I think at some point, we'll see the equivalent of the Rappan Athuk, when the A-Series (A0 to A13) gets done. In the interim, a Bundle O' Monster tailored with all the Love C&C can bring would be cool.

[Captain_K]

This link from Kreider really lays it all out very well. With a few unique additions the M&T of the Wilderlands & Freeport Companion would be totally covered.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B4Nf1fU ... edit?pli=1

Some are to close approximations (e.g., the prismal eye is the C&C version of the D&D beholder, more or less), so you may not see the exact names, but it should direct you to something workable.

[mbeacom]

FWIW: I own all the monster books listed and I would STILL buy such a compilation. My preference would be with Metal and Treebore, to have an entire anthology of published C&C monsters. I don't give a whit about setting specificity. It would be nice to have a little icon or something, asterisk maybe, denoting setting specific monsters for those who cared, or perhaps in the writeup a mention of where it was originally published. I would totally buy this book for sure.

For those people thinking their Tome of Horrors is lonely, might I point you to the Swords & Wizardry Monstrosities and Adventures Dark & Deep Bestiary (AD&D style stats). I consider them both to be more useful that ToHC and both are equally considered mega tomes in the spirit of ToH. Though there is some repetition between them of course.

[Lord Dynel]

I'm of the opinion that I'd rather see effort put into developing new stuff, not repackaging old. But that's me, and I completely understand that I might be in the minority...

[Arduin]

I'm of the opinion that I'd rather see effort put into developing new stuff, not repackaging old. But that's me, and I completely understand that I might be in the minority...

Naw, agreed. I for one would like a new setting. There are plenty of C&C monster books to hold for a little while.

[mbeacom]

I'm of the opinion that I'd rather see effort put into developing new stuff, not repackaging old. But that's me, and I completely understand that I might be in the minority...

I'll agree here as well. Implicit in my previous comment was that such a compilation of monsters wouldn't be so much effort as to preclude new projects. But that, regardless, I would buy such a thing. If I had the source documents and wasn't making any real source alterations, I could probably build a decent compilation document in a few days.

[kreider204]

I'm of the opinion that I'd rather see effort put into developing new stuff, not repackaging old. But that's me, and I completely understand that I might be in the minority...

I'm in the other minority. I'd rather see perfected / collated core products, at least before turning out yet more new products that are also in need of correcting ... I'd love a perfect PHB, a collated M&T, and everything else is just optional.

Of course, a lot of this comes down to how we use C&C. I think I'm in the group that sees it as a slightly different version of AD&D, and uses it with those settings and modules, so I pretty much just want core rules and monsters for easy module conversion. Other folks see C&C as a separate game with its own setting, adventures, etc., so they'd probably side more with the New > Reprinting Old view. And I'm sure there are lots of variations of these views as well.

[Treebore]

I'd say easily over 80% of the modules I run are from 1E AD&D, or just after. Plus Judges Guild. I've used, maybe, 6 adventures from 2E or 3E, and about 11 adventures made by the Trolls, and played in about another 8 or so TLG adventures. The Sunday game I played in until recently, and hopefully will again come June, has been Temple of Elemental Evil.

[TheMetal1]

I'm of the opinion that I'd rather see effort put into developing new stuff, not repackaging old. But that's me, and I completely understand that I might be in the minority...

I'll agree here as well. Implicit in my previous comment was that such a compilation of monsters wouldn't be so much effort as to preclude new projects. But that, regardless, I would buy such a thing. If I had the source documents and wasn't making any real source alterations, I could probably build a decent compilation document in a few days.

Same here I'm all for new stuff, and like mbeacom, the assumption is this would require minimal effort (realtively speaking - as publishing is no easy effort)

For those people thinking their Tome of Horrors is lonely, might I point you to the Swords & Wizardry Monstrosities and Adventures Dark & Deep Bestiary (AD&D style stats). I consider them both to be more useful that ToHC and both are equally considered mega tomes in the spirit of ToH. Though there is some repetition between them of course.

+1 to S&W Monstrosities, quite a nice book. I've yet to pick up AD&D, I have the free beta version in my game PDF files, but it is something that eventually I will pick-up. The Castle of the Mad Arch Mage is a needed purchase as well.

[Rigon]

For those people thinking their Tome of Horrors is lonely, might I point you to the Swords & Wizardry Monstrosities and Adventures Dark & Deep Bestiary (AD&D style stats). I consider them both to be more useful that ToHC and both are equally considered mega tomes in the spirit of ToH. Though there is some repetition between them of course.

+1 to S&W Monstrosities, quite a nice book. I've yet to pick up AD&D, I have the free beta version in my game PDF files, but it is something that eventually I will pick-up. The Castle of the Mad Arch Mage is a needed purchase as well.

The ADD Beastiary is 900 plus entries with just about all of them having artwork. It is a very nice monster book. I really need to have my PDF printed.

R-