Training to gain levels ~ do you enforce/use it?

Tadhg · Post by **Tadhg** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 12:02 am

In the PHB under gaining levels (5th print, page 136).

I don't use it for online games, but have used it in my FtF game some years back. I usually worked the training into the story/campaign and it didn't take up too much game time.

Omote · Post by **Omote** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 12:20 am

I use it as an option for the player to gain potentially further benefits. 100gp x level. 1 week.

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Tadhg · Post by **Tadhg** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 12:28 am

Omote wrote:I use it as an option for the player to gain potentially further benefits. 100gp x level. 1 week.

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Thanks for your reply, good sir.

You reminded me, that I did grant some small XP for said training!! [Even if I used it to slow down level advancement!!!

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Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 12:48 am

No, haven't used it since early in my 1E AD&D days.

Kayolan · Post by **Kayolan** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 3:41 am

It depends on the campaign.

ThrorII · Post by **ThrorII** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 4:55 am

No. My only rule is no leveling during the adventure. All leveling happens 'back in town'.

concobar · Post by **concobar** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 6:58 am

I use it.

serleran · Post by **serleran** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 11:37 am

Training is an option not a requirement. Selecting to train bestows more choices.

Rigon · Post by **Rigon** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 2:17 pm

ThrorII wrote:No. My only rule is no leveling during the adventure. All leveling happens 'back in town'.

That's how I run my games.

R-

Arduin · Post by **Arduin** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 3:34 pm

Naw. It is a DOA rule just like it was in 1st Edition. It's always been a HORRIBLE meta gaming rule.

Traveller · Post by **Traveller** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 4:20 pm

I don't role play it out, but if they want to level they have to pay. 25% right off the top.

Training costs 25% of an adventurer’s share of treasure earned by slaying monsters, and is assumed to be performed between adventures, with enough time passing for all training to take place. The Castle Keeper advances the game calendar a number of days equal to the longest training period in the party, plus 2d6+2 days to allow for the adventurers to get back together if they parted ways after the conclusion of the adventure. Side adventures for characters not training all fall within this time frame.

Tadhg · Post by **Tadhg** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 4:21 pm

serleran wrote:Training is an option not a requirement. Selecting to train bestows more choices.

Well, the Trolls use the word "must" train before advancing - just like they "must" gain enough XPs. I'd say it's a rule!

serleran · Post by **serleran** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 5:24 pm

Rhuvein wrote:
serleran wrote:Training is an option not a requirement. Selecting to train bestows more choices.
Well, the Trolls use the word "must" train before advancing - just like they "must" gain enough XPs. I'd say it's a rule!

I don't use XP either.

Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 6:42 pm

I haven't used XP for my current campaign. I have to say, it feels weird, but its also been liberating. I'm thinking ignoring XP will be my default from now on.

Rigon · Post by **Rigon** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 7:16 pm

Treebore wrote:I haven't used XP for my current campaign. I have to say, it feels weird, but its also been liberating. I'm thinking ignoring XP will be my default from now on.

I didn't for my last campaign, but that was more or less an extended playtest/tweaking of my house rules. I always liked the use of xp from the player perspective. It was a tangible thing to see the progress of my character inching his way to the next level.

R-

seskis281 · Post by **seskis281** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 8:58 pm

Rigon wrote:
ThrorII wrote:No. My only rule is no leveling during the adventure. All leveling happens 'back in town'.
That's how I run my games.

R-

Same.

Buttmonkey · Post by **Buttmonkey** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:13 pm

I require training, although I don't know if what I require matches the RAW from the PHB. Basically, I require the PC to train for one week in order to go up in level. The training costs 1,000 gp x the old level. For example, if the PC is training from 4th to 5th level, it costs 4,000 gp. Training to 2nd level only costs 500 gp. Training is available in most cities.

Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:30 pm

I've never gotten the training rule anyways. On the job training works just fine, so that is what I assume they get as adventurers. Training only makes sense to me for those who never adventure and stay safely within city walls, etc... In my opinion nothing teaches you what you need to know better than constant life and death situations. Not to mention motivate you. How can a "class room" compare to that?

Kayolan · Post by **Kayolan** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:33 pm

C&C btb at least, doesn't require a mentor or money to be spent, but I think adding the mentor aspect can be fun: NPCs that are tied to the characters as teachers, having them report back to the temple, wizard's tower, garrison commander, thieves' guild etc. But if you have a game where they are traveling constantly it can be a real hassle.

Tadhg · Post by **Tadhg** » Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:39 pm

I can see training for BtH, additional spells, more HPs etc.

And I can see classroom training (in a wizards' tower) or on the adventure training as well. They get it while adventuring and then have a chance to perfect it (the PH training), as it were - so they are totally prepared for their next adventure.

TheMetal1 · Post by **TheMetal1** » Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:49 am

Yes, I do use and enforce it. They have to find someone of at least they level they need to advance to or higher. They'll get hit points right away (but not skills, etc.) and I'll allow them to continue in the dungeon/wilderness, etc. If they reach the subsequent level, they won't get anything (no hit points, skills etc.)

Warunsun · Post by **Warunsun** » Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:57 am

I require training and it has never caused an issue. Mostly it just requires time and a little money to be spent. So it just advances the calender mostly.

mbeacom · Post by **mbeacom** » Tue Mar 31, 2015 5:01 am

I've used it some times and not used it others, depending on the group. Some don't like it or find it burdensome. But I've found it can improve the game when used properly. If you see it as just something the rules are forcing you to do, then shelve it. But in my games it has increased the pleasure derived from simple coinage as treasure. When I've ditched it, it has lowered the desire for money treasure and at some points the players would even moan at the idea of getting lots of gold because there wasn't a ton to use it on for a large swath of the game as written. I found ways to work around it but they were no better or worse. If you've thrown out other rules, then the training rules are likely no longer useful. But if you like money to have and extra layer of meaning and want to give your players an extra motivation and roleplay opportunity tied to levels, it can be pretty useful.

mmbutter · Post by **mmbutter** » Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:17 pm

At lower levels, training is not much of an issue - players can find the needed trainers in any reasonably sized towns. However, at higher levels, they need to find specialized skills training, which I include in various adventures.

Jyrdan Fairblade · Post by **Jyrdan Fairblade** » Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:51 pm

I do not use training rules for leveling up, but I do use them for skills that have a fuzzy area not otherwise covered. For example, on a recent voyage at sea, a PC wanted to become a proficient sailor – I let him train for that.

Captain_K · Post by **Captain_K** » Wed Apr 01, 2015 2:14 am

Stopped using that shortly after starting character debt for training... just too much book keeping.. I make them train.. when the roll play and the time is right, sometimes for years (of game time).

Tadhg · Post by **Tadhg** » Wed Apr 01, 2015 2:21 am

Captain_K wrote:Stopped using that shortly after starting character debt for training... just too much book keeping.. I make them train.. when the roll play and the time is right, sometimes for years (of game time).

Years!!!

ThrorII · Post by **ThrorII** » Wed Apr 01, 2015 2:39 am

Yeah, for full disclosure, I also don't track xp anymore. I generally have characters level every other session for levels 1-4, and every third session for 5-8, and every fourth session for 9-12 (I top out my games at 12th).

Arduin · Post by **Arduin** » Wed Apr 01, 2015 2:45 am

Rhuvein wrote:
Captain_K wrote:Stopped using that shortly after starting character debt for training... just too much book keeping.. I make them train.. when the roll play and the time is right, sometimes for years (of game time).
Years!!!

Sure. Like Jyrdan above talked about a PC wanting to be a proficient [ocean] sailor. That takes years of training and experience to achieve.

Tadhg · Post by **Tadhg** » Wed Apr 01, 2015 3:05 am

Arduin wrote:
Rhuvein wrote:
Captain_K wrote:Stopped using that shortly after starting character debt for training... just too much book keeping.. I make them train.. when the roll play and the time is right, sometimes for years (of game time).
Years!!!
Sure. Like Jyrdan above talked about a PC wanting to be a proficient [ocean] sailor. That takes years of training and experience to achieve.

Hmm, perhaps he/they might wish to equate years with training level, ergo - how many years for advancing level 1 to 2. How many for 5 to 7.

Then, I might or might not be shocked!

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