I purchased D&D 5th Ed

lobocastle · Post by **lobocastle** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 6:55 pm

I went ahead and purchased D&D 5E. I have not played the game. I offer a few observations based upon reading the material in the PHB, DMG, and the MM. I liked the monster manual the best. The Vampire write up had a Bram Stoker feel to it. I would not say that 5E is easier to play than D&D 3E with just the core books. C&C is far easier than either edition to play. I liked the way skills are done in 5E. I do not like the proficiency bonus system. A better mechanic would be every two or three levels the proficiency bonus increases. I will adopt a modified skill system for C&C. I like the advantage and disadvantage system, but would not adopt it for C&C. Fighters should be given advantage in combat roles. I intend to sell the 5E books as I do not get enough material that I would want to import into other games.

Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 8:37 pm

Yeah, there is a lot I like about 5E, but I still much prefer C&C for my D&D style gaming.

lobocastle · Post by **lobocastle** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 10:35 pm

Treebore,

Do you think 5E is easier to run than 3E just based upon the three source books (DMG, PHB, & MM)?

JLL

Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 10:45 pm

I played 5E weekly from December until last Thursday. It is definitely easier to run than 3E.

pawndream · Post by **pawndream** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 3:36 am

I purchased the three 5e D&D rulebooks (PHB, DMG and MM) with a generous gift card the in-laws gave me (so generous it also paid for the purchase of the premium 1st edition core rulebook reprints). I have read through the books and really like what I see.

The main problem is I am already pretty comfortable with what I get from C&C, i.e., it is very easy to run and play. It is also really easy to teach to new players, which is always a bonus. So, 5th edition has not replaced C&C as my go-to RPG to run, but I definitely won't be getting rid of the books. It's a great game in its own right and would happily play it, if given the opportunity.

If C&C is billed as the Rosetta Stone of RPGs, then I guess that would make 5th edition the lingua franca, in that it is the most popular, most heavily branded game, and would be very easy to find players who want to play it. For now, I have players who are perfectly happy playing C&C, none of which have been clamoring to play 5th edition. My face-to-face group consists of three players who had never played RPGs before, one who last played 3rd edition and the other got his start on 4th edition D&D, but now also plays 5th (in addition to C&C).

Jyrdan Fairblade · Post by **Jyrdan Fairblade** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 2:57 pm

C&C is definitely one of the easiest games to run/play. But I certainly dig 5e way more than 4e or 3e.

As I’ve lamented before, our group is anything but old school, and the power gamers would never go for C&C. But if I can’t run C&C, at least 5e makes me happy. Running 4e, especially towards the end, was pretty horrible.

TheMetal1 · Post by **TheMetal1** » Wed Jul 01, 2015 9:57 pm

lobocastle wrote:I went ahead and purchased D&D 5E. I have not played the game. I offer a few observations based upon reading the material in the PHB, DMG, and the MM. I liked the monster manual the best. The Vampire write up had a Bram Stoker feel to it. I would not say that 5E is easier to play than D&D 3E with just the core books. C&C is far easier than either edition to play. I liked the way skills are done in 5E. I do not like the proficiency bonus system. A better mechanic would be every two or three levels the proficiency bonus increases. I will adopt a modified skill system for C&C. I like the advantage and disadvantage system, but would not adopt it for C&C. Fighters should be given advantage in combat roles. I intend to sell the 5E books as I do not get enough material that I would want to import into other games.

Congrats on getting 5e. I've only played a short session with the starter box on Fantasy Grounds 2, but it was pretty fun. I do like the 2 d20's for advantage or disadvantage.

I picked up most of the releases for it so far in print - Starter Box set and Starter Mini Set, a couple of booster minis', PHB, MM, DMG, DM Screen, Along with the Hoard of the Dragon Queen and Rise of Tiamat and the Gale Force 9 DM Screen, Princes of the Apocalypse, All the Spell Cards (including the Princes of Apocalypse Set). I also decided to get all the Fantasy Grounds releases for it so far, as I'm more likely to play that than a face to face game. Like most of us here, C&C is the go to game, but I would definitely play or run D&D 5e if I had more time.

Post by **finarvyn** » Sun Jul 12, 2015 11:28 am

lobocastle wrote:Do you think 5E is easier to run than 3E just based upon the three source books (DMG, PHB, & MM)?

5E is way easier to learn and to run than 3E, in my opinion, and if you are working from a module you really don't need the 5E DMG that much. (Same as with C&C's CKG, I was able to play for months without the DMG and didn't miss it much except for treasure tables and I can find that sort of thing in other rulebooks.)

Zudrak · Post by **Zudrak** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:55 pm

After watching the first (and roughly half of the second) episode of Critical Role on YouTube, I have added the 5e PHB to my Amazon wishlist. I'm going to check it out, if only because it may be a way for my son (12) to find other gamers in school. Because it's "BIG!" and "CURRENT!" 7th graders will probably have heard of it. In our games, though, I'll play C&C. I still have 1 (or 2, if a pair of players ever make time again) campaign going, along with the occasional solo campaigns of C&C, Star Frontiers, & now Gamma World (2e/4e) I am running for my son when we have spare time. It's hard to find that spare time with his siblings being 2 (years) and 3 (months).

Thanks to the folks posting here to help me discover more about the game, in play. I do have the free PDF from WotC and have read it, but like any other RPG -- the play's the thing.

Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:59 pm

Yeah, it definitely plays well and you will absolutely have fun with it. Just at the end of the day, I still prefer the simplicity and versatility of C&C.

Zudrak · Post by **Zudrak** » Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:09 pm

Treebore wrote:Yeah, it definitely plays well and you will absolutely have fun with it. Just at the end of the day, I still prefer the simplicity and versatility of C&C.

That was my thought. Critical Role proved it can be played fast and loose like the older editions I liked (Moldvay B/E D&D & 1e AD&D). However, I don't think the game would pry me away from C&C the way C&C saved my game/pried me away from 3e.

Jyrdan Fairblade · Post by **Jyrdan Fairblade** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 2:22 pm

As our 5e campaign progresses to the mid-tier of levels, I’m growing to appreciate that it’s much harder to come up with a broken, min-maxed uber-character than in the past two editions. It makes challenging the PCs that much easier.

Arduin · Post by **Arduin** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 2:39 pm

Jyrdan Fairblade wrote:As our 5e campaign progresses to the mid-tier of levels, I’m growing to appreciate that it’s much harder to come up with a broken, min-maxed uber-character than in the past two editions. It makes challenging the PCs that much easier.

I noticed the same thing. It is also the best D&D edition for children.

Zudrak · Post by **Zudrak** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 4:44 pm

How is leveling in 5e? I like slower advancement, as in 1e, and disliked how quickly 3e's advancement was, BTB. (Yes, I realize that houseruling can fix this...)

Arduin · Post by **Arduin** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 5:25 pm

Zudrak wrote:How is leveling in 5e? I like slower advancement, as in 1e, and disliked how quickly 3e's advancement was, BTB. (Yes, I realize that houseruling can fix this...)

At low levels it is MUCH faster.

Jyrdan Fairblade · Post by **Jyrdan Fairblade** » Fri Jul 17, 2015 6:49 pm

Yeah, the first three levels can zoom by in about three adventures. After that, it starts to slow down.

Zudrak · Post by **Zudrak** » Sun Jul 26, 2015 11:12 pm

Arduin wrote:At low levels it is MUCH faster.

Jyrdan Fairblade wrote:Yeah, the first three levels can zoom by in about three adventures. After that, it starts to slow down.

Hmm. That'd be my first tweak. I always liked the idea of characters being 1st-level long enough that 2nd feels earned to the players. Most video games nowadays have players advance in almost no time flat. I think that cheapens the sense of accomplishment, myself.

Thanks for the replies, fellows!

Arduin · Post by **Arduin** » Sun Jul 26, 2015 11:25 pm

Zudrak wrote:
Arduin wrote:At low levels it is MUCH faster.

Jyrdan Fairblade wrote:Yeah, the first three levels can zoom by in about three adventures. After that, it starts to slow down.
Hmm. That'd be my first tweak. I always liked the idea of characters being 1st-level long enough that 2nd feels earned to the players.

It is also, by FAR, the hardest to have a PC die in. 1st-4th Ed it was easier to die. that's another reason that this is the best edition for small children.

Zudrak · Post by **Zudrak** » Mon Jul 27, 2015 1:06 pm

Arduin wrote:
Zudrak wrote:
Arduin wrote:At low levels it is MUCH faster.

Jyrdan Fairblade wrote:Yeah, the first three levels can zoom by in about three adventures. After that, it starts to slow down.
Hmm. That'd be my first tweak. I always liked the idea of characters being 1st-level long enough that 2nd feels earned to the players.
It is also, by FAR, the hardest to have a PC die in. 1st-4th Ed it was easier to die. that's another reason that this is the best edition for small children.

An unfortunate by-product of the same corporation holding rights to both D&D and Nerf.

Arduin · Post by **Arduin** » Mon Jul 27, 2015 1:48 pm

Zudrak wrote:
Arduin wrote:
Zudrak wrote:
Arduin wrote:At low levels it is MUCH faster.

Jyrdan Fairblade wrote:Yeah, the first three levels can zoom by in about three adventures. After that, it starts to slow down.
Hmm. That'd be my first tweak. I always liked the idea of characters being 1st-level long enough that 2nd feels earned to the players.
It is also, by FAR, the hardest to have a PC die in. 1st-4th Ed it was easier to die. that's another reason that this is the best edition for small children.
An unfortunate by-product of the same corporation holding rights to both D&D and Nerf.

Dracyian · Post by **Dracyian** » Mon Jul 27, 2015 4:18 pm

Zudrak wrote:
Arduin wrote:
Zudrak wrote:
Arduin wrote:At low levels it is MUCH faster.

Jyrdan Fairblade wrote:Yeah, the first three levels can zoom by in about three adventures. After that, it starts to slow down.
Hmm. That'd be my first tweak. I always liked the idea of characters being 1st-level long enough that 2nd feels earned to the players.
It is also, by FAR, the hardest to have a PC die in. 1st-4th Ed it was easier to die. that's another reason that this is the best edition for small children.
An unfortunate by-product of the same corporation holding rights to both D&D and Nerf.

This made me smile during the dredges at work.

We did have an awesome CK... Seskas who imported the dragon queen hunting lodge into our last C&C Campaign

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