C&C Basic box... the scoop?

Korgoth · Post by **Korgoth** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 8:56 pm

Hey, gang. I've read this page:
http://www.trolllord.com/newsite/cnc/8951.html

and yet hunger for more info! Is any to be had?
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catenwolde · Post by **catenwolde** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 9:23 pm

This is exactly what I have been looking for. I would love to be able to hand these out to my son and his friends, who still find the full-size PHB a little overwhelming. I have actually been considering re-writing an RC style C&C book (for my own use only!), by stripping down and combining the PHB and M&T and adding a section containing an introductory scenario and campaign world. I've already outlined it, but it would be great to avoid the actual work.

Tadhg · Post by **Tadhg** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 10:13 pm

Looks perfect for the new and or young players looking to get started with sword/sorcery/fantasy RPGs!
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Omote · Post by **Omote** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 12:25 am

There is not too much to tell regarding this project yet. Although, just today gideon_throne did drop hints that race as class would be present in this box set.

His words are mentioned here:
http://www.dragonsfoot.org/forums/viewt ... d1933f149e

This is some good stuff from TLG. I hope they take this box set very seriously and give it the deserved attention that an intro game warrents.

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Korgoth · Post by **Korgoth** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 12:37 am

Omote wrote:
There is not too much to tell regarding this project yet. Although, just today gideon_throne did drop hints that race as class would be present in this box set.

His words are mentioned here:
http://www.dragonsfoot.org/forums/viewt ... d1933f149e

This is some good stuff from TLG. I hope they take this box set very seriously and give it the deserved attention that an intro game warrents.

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Thanks for the link! I kind of like the race-as-class concept these days. It keeps the demihumans archetypal and helps explain the humanocentric world.
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Omote · Post by **Omote** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 12:44 am

Agreed. I think this is especially important for the basic version of the C&C game. It does indeed strengthen the fantasy archtype, and (hopefully) provides a viable option for the "advenced" version of the C&C game.

Can't wait for this box set.

On a side note, Steve or Davis has said on these very boards late last month, or early this month that the C&C Basic Set is still planned to be released in April. Good news!!!

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serleran · Post by **serleran** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 12:54 am

Different. I wonder what critters get added, and, more importantly (to me)... how many

Dristram · Post by **Dristram** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 12:54 am

Omote wrote:
Although, just today gideon_throne did drop hints that race as class would be present in this box set.

That's awesome! I wonder if they will be in the CKG as well.

serleran · Post by **serleran** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 1:02 am

Certainly hope so. I know my variation on them wasn't that popular, so maybe someone has a better intrepretation. Always something else to steal.. err, inspire.

Dristram · Post by **Dristram** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 1:43 am

serleran wrote:
Certainly hope so. I know my variation on them wasn't that popular, so maybe someone has a better intrepretation. Always something else to steal.. err, inspire.

Actually, I thought yours were really cool. I'm just the type who wants to play races and classes as close to the rules as possible so those who play in my C&C game and then play in someone else's, it feels similiar. I have some houserules, don't get me wrong, but I try and keep them streamlined along with the system instead of changing it too much. Having races as classes in official C&C rules just makes them easier to use for my purposes. But if I was ever playing in your game Serl, I'd definitely have a hard choice because I would not be playing a human.

catenwolde · Post by **catenwolde** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 6:07 am

Omote wrote:
I hope they take this box set very seriously and give it the deserved attention that an intro game warrants.

I think this is a very important point. The concept and physical packaging sound excellent, but I hope a lot of effort went into streamlining the typically thick Troll Prose and giving this product its own identity. A tight thematic focus, completeness, and quality control is even more important in an introductory product than otherwise.

If one could blend the easy style of Moldvay Basic with the completeness of Mentzer RC, and season with C&C systems, this product could have even more of a long-term impact than the PHB.

Cheers,

Christopher

Omote · Post by **Omote** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:02 pm

catenwolde wrote:
If one could blend the easy style of Moldvay Basic with the completeness of Mentzer RC, and season with C&C systems, this product could have even more of a long-term impact than the PHB.

I couldn't agree with you more! That is a great statement. When I run C&C at conventions, I may even start giving away C&C basic sets over the core PHB. Because the Basic Set sounds like an all inclusive game. According to the On The Anvil page, it comes with a players book and a CK screen. That is so awesome!

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moriarty777 · Post by **moriarty777** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 6:59 pm

As long as it doesn't become a case of "C&C" and "Advanced C&C"...

The box does sound cool though!

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Omote · Post by **Omote** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:11 pm

Wouldn't by default the regular C&C game be more "advanced?"
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gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:15 pm

*snorts* The release of the CKG certainly is going to make for a more 'advanced' game.

But I wouldnt expect to see an AC&C book or anything like that being released.

The basic boxed set is principally designed along the same philosophy as the white box that was initially released for the C&C game. More or less a 'complete' ready to go system.

I dont know about format, but I did suggest a book for the CK, and a photocopyable folded and stapled handout for players. We'll see how that goes?
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Tadhg · Post by **Tadhg** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:40 pm

gideon_thorne wrote:
But I wouldnt expect to see an AC&C book or anything like that being released.

The basic boxed set is principally designed along the same philosophy as the white box that was initially released for the C&C game. More or less a 'complete' ready to go system.

Hmm, OK we got OC&C, basic - BC&C and now we're talking about AC&C! Would that be AC&C 1E?

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Omote · Post by **Omote** » Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:51 pm

GAH!!! No, stop with the editions! It's all just C&C, baby!
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pineappleleader · Post by **pineappleleader** » Sat Mar 03, 2007 3:48 am

Omote wrote:
On a side note, Steve or Davis has said on these very boards late last month, or early this month that the C&C Basic Set is still planned to be released in April. Good news!!!

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Did they say what year?

I really hope this comes off on schedule as I would like to buy one. My favorate form of the "Old Game" was five box D&D.
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xyanthon · Post by **xyanthon** » Sat Mar 03, 2007 11:44 am

This sounds very cool. I'm highly interested in this.

Omote · Post by **Omote** » Sat Mar 03, 2007 4:06 pm

pineappleleader wrote:
Did they say what year?

Yes, I believe Steve said this in late Jan 2007 or very eary Feb 2007. Steve did say that the Basic Box Set was on target. Lets hope. *hopes*

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Omote · Post by **Omote** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 4:22 pm

If you're like me and you missed the updated C&C Basic page...
http://www.trolllord.com/newsite/cnc/8951.html

The product description sure paints a pretty picture of this product (as well as the cover artist!). Can't wait.

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Troll Lord · Post by **Troll Lord** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 4:31 pm

This is on schedule for a LATE May, probably early June, release of this year. To clear up any confusion, this will come in an 8.5 x 11 box set.

I'll get more specific on the format when Davis and I tackle this one. We are looking at five release in and around that time, including the box set, and are on schedule with all of them right now (Crusader 7, LA More Beasts of Legend, C&C Dzeebagd and The Canting Crew Revisited).

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Omote · Post by **Omote** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 5:11 pm

Cool. Thanks for the specifics Steve.

I was really wishing I could give these out as prizes at a con I'm attending on Memorial Day weekend... oh well. ONWARD!!!

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catenwolde · Post by **catenwolde** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 5:19 pm

Troll Lord wrote:
This is on schedule for a LATE May, probably early June, release of this year. To clear up any confusion, this will come in an 8.5 x 11 box set.

I'll get more specific on the format when Davis and I tackle this one. We are looking at five release in and around that time, including the box set, and are on schedule with all of them right now (Crusader 7, LA More Beasts of Legend, C&C Dzeebagd and The Canting Crew Revisited).

Steve

Hmm ... this somehow sounds a bit hurried. Does this mean that most of the work is already done, or that this is a remix of material already in print ... or both, or neither?
Regardless, good luck with the project!

Cheers,

Christopher

gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 5:25 pm

catenwolde wrote:
Hmm ... this somehow sounds a bit hurried. Does this mean that most of the work is already done, or that this is a remix of material already in print ... or both, or neither?

Consider it an expansion of the Spartan 300 white boxed set if you like? That was intended to be more of a introductory collectors product, which is why it's not seen widely in stores.

This new set is more fleshed out and includes more material, and will be seen in stores.
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Omote · Post by **Omote** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 6:30 pm

gideon_thorne wrote:
This new set is more fleshed out and includes more material, and will be seen in stores.

8)

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Tadhg · Post by **Tadhg** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:43 am

Troll Lord wrote:
This is on schedule for a LATE May, probably early June, release of this year. To clear up any confusion, this will come in an 8.5 x 11 box set.

Fantastic. I'm thinking my nephew may well be ready to try CK'ing. I'm going to pick up a couple for sure!
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Omote · Post by **Omote** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 1:20 am

Yeah, this is some good stuff. The box set is 8.5" x 11.0", but the recently released CK screen are the same size. As per the description, included in the Basic C&C Box set will be "CK Screens." Maybe they will be a bit different, and smaller? I know that's a stretch, but it got me to thinking.

As for the books, I wonder if they'll be digest-sized again, or like the D&D Basic box sets? Either would be cool to be honest, but a larger player book and a CK book much like those other, older D&D sets would be equally fantastic!

Man, this is good news and a lot of good stuff in one box set!

Count me in for multiple copies as well (play copy, shelf copy, plus a few giveaways).

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gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 1:29 am

When one does an 8.5 x 11 box, that accounts for interiors. The measurments are actually slightly larger to give room for the books inside, which are 8.5 x 11.

The outer box measurements are more like 8.75 by 11.25
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Tadhg · Post by **Tadhg** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 2:21 am

gideon_thorne wrote:
When one does an 8.5 x 11 box, that accounts for interiors. The measurments are actually slightly larger to give room for the books inside, which are 8.5 x 11.

The outer box measurements are more like 8.75 by 11.25

Heh, just for laughs I pulled out a couple of my boxes for measurement. Not that I didn't believe you gideon, but more for scientific research!
D&D basic box = 9.25X11.25

D&D expert box = 9.25X11.30

Hall of Many Panes = 9X11.50

LA Essentials = ditto

Ravenloft = 9X11.75

Inside contents varied somewhat.

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