SOCIETY ROLE CALL

serleran · Post by **serleran** » Wed May 02, 2007 2:54 am

Update: Steve has graciously allowed the Society to use the current domain/address, which means we do not have to build from scratch, nor do we have to worry about funding it ourselves. Once we have a more direct plan full editable access to the C&CS site will be given to the Keeper of Scrolls (that was the webguy, yes?) so things can start on that front.

I would prefer to use Yahoo for messaging/meetings, but weekends are just about out for me, since I am rarely home for them.

Omote · Post by **Omote** » Wed May 02, 2007 3:08 am

THANKS STEVE!!!

As for time and place, about the only time that I'm always busy is Saturday nights. Any other time is usually fine (assuming itis in the evening hours ).

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Storm Queen · Post by **Storm Queen** » Wed May 02, 2007 10:20 am

Nifelhein wrote:
I have put a demo website here: http://nifelhein.110mb.com/cnc.

If we're still going ahead with the demo website, I've got some quick suggestions - I think we should spell out the full name of the Society, rather than the abbreviate it as C&C Society.

And I'd like some more info in the links section - a sentence or two after each link to tell me why it's worth my time to click on the link and check it out.

Colour scheme is good. I like the graphic. That's it for now....

Nifelhein · Post by **Nifelhein** » Wed May 02, 2007 2:34 pm

serleran wrote:
Update: Steve has graciously allowed the Society to use the current domain/address, which means we do not have to build from scratch, nor do we have to worry about funding it ourselves. Once we have a more direct plan full editable access to the C&CS site will be given to the Keeper of Scrolls (that was the webguy, yes?) so things can start on that front.

I would prefer to use Yahoo for messaging/meetings, but weekends are just about out for me, since I am rarely home for them.

Okay, for that we will need two things, I believe, an ftp account to access it and define what we want out of the website, if the forums will be society members only, then we should really aim for a forum here instead of one of our own, this will keep things simple. We might even use a blog format if that is the case.

If we want an open forum with reserved areas (for members of a group only), working like a fan forum of sorts, then we might want to make a whole thing like the demo I posted for you guys to look at. Then we have to see if we want to have a C&C fan forum, and how official a fan forum it would be. I think a lot of people might prefer not to leave these boards though. the advantage here is that anyone can submit something to be hosted by the society, and the society works as a judge of quality, reviewing content, tweaking if necessary and then posting things.

My experience says including all fans is a better way to get content, and making the society a work title instead of a status title will draw less animosity and more admiration as well. I have seen this model used in two of Monte Cook's products, Iron Heroes and Arcana Unearthed/Evolved.

I think having everyone around at the same time will be a hard way to work, the advantage of forums and mailing lists is that we can let everyone reply when they get the chance, with a dedicated Society forum (either one hosted here or a stand alone one) we can make a thread for each discussion and define a time period for members to reply to them.

The greater our numbers, the slower the decisions will be though, so this is why I believe many choices have to be taken by a few people and then presented to the society, for approval or rejection, this will make the pace much better, and when replies do not show, consider it approved, simple and easy. Being democratic in an indirect manner is better than making everything depend on a group decision, we should choose the "director's" for that reason.

I am also against thematic titles inside the society because it makes knowing who does what harder, we can carry that title for the outside world, but inside the society webmaster, president and the like is much better, imo.

Omote wrote:
My thought on the seperate website is that there would be a backup place should we need it for society stuff. Plus, a possible place to post a ton of society information that might not be pertenent to the TLG boards. Also, with a dedicated webmaster for the society, we can get things changed on the site or the forums as it might become necessary.

Really, to be honest it's not even that important of aspect to the society, but it would be a useful too I think.

Basically a frontpage on the style of the cncplayer.net page and a members only area to allow society discussions and the like? If that is the case the best route would be to have option 1 on my reply to serl above.

Julian Grimm wrote:
The site is very nice! I tried to upload The Keeper but It wouldn't allow PDF's.

That was one of the free server limitations, it cannot be helped at the time. i think zip files are allowed though, but file limit is 1Mb there, so it would have to be fairly small.

Storm Queen wrote:
If we're still going ahead with the demo website, I've got some quick suggestions - I think we should spell out the full name of the Society, rather than the abbreviate it as C&C Society.

I actually dislike the place it shows on that theme, I plan on taking that out and making a banner with the name on it, if we go that route. I agree with the full name, a thing that bothered me though, and made me shorten it, was whether it is singular or plural, the "official" site is plural but the main page then shows the name in the singular... confusing.

Storm Queen wrote:
And I'd like some more info in the links section - a sentence or two after each link to tell me why it's worth my time to click on the link and check it out.

Yeah, I made it quick and dirty though, copied serl's sticky on resources and made minor editing to make it into a list of sorts.[/quote]

Storm Queen wrote:
Colour scheme is good. I like the graphic. That's it for now....

I like the color scheme as well, though the "Aero" theme has a similar one that is also rather easy to customize, much easier than the manuscript one I set as a default one right now. A less graphical site will usually mean higher loading speed though, so we may also see which one we would like to have.
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Lurker · Post by **Lurker** » Wed May 02, 2007 3:25 pm

Sorry it has taken a day or 2 to get back. Yesterday was busy, My sq Co was in the area for unit inspection and award ceremony, plus had computer problems.

Let me know the when & where for the conferences & Ill be there.
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mordrene · Post by **mordrene** » Wed May 02, 2007 6:43 pm

is it too late to sign up in the society?

serleran · Post by **serleran** » Wed May 02, 2007 6:45 pm

Its never too late to join. We have a long way to go, but we're always recruiting.

Omote · Post by **Omote** » Wed May 02, 2007 6:58 pm

One thing that I'm going to work on is the possibility of a Castles & Crusades Society CON piggy-backing off of another con in Ohio. That way we'd by default have an amazing venue with a bust-a$$ dealers room, plus some amazing... party events.

I'm in pretty well with the CON organizers of www.marcon.org out of Columbus Ohio. Plus, this particular con is trying hard to attract more GAMERS. I'll find out more from them in a few weeks about this.

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Nifelhein · Post by **Nifelhein** » Wed May 02, 2007 7:09 pm

As a side note, I can only attend virtual events, as I live outside of the US and do not have the money to pay for such trips (even though I have the time, but if I had the money I would probably not have time).

I would say a week day night is the best choice we can have in having people gather online, if that is the route chosen, mostly because people are actually at home on such days.
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Emryys · Post by **Emryys** » Wed May 02, 2007 7:28 pm

Nifelhein wrote:
As a side note, I can only attend virtual events, as I live outside of the US and do not have the money to pay for such trips (even though I have the time, but if I had the money I would probably not have time).

Me too...

Nifelhein wrote:
I would say a week day night is the best choice we can have in having people gather online, if that is the route chosen, mostly because people are actually at home on such days.

Probably a good choice.
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Julian Grimm · Post by **Julian Grimm** » Thu May 03, 2007 10:57 pm

serleran wrote:
I would prefer to use Yahoo for messaging/meetings, but weekends are just about out for me, since I am rarely home for them.

I'm good with Friday's. I'm off and have nothing to do of the evening.
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Julian Grimm · Post by **Julian Grimm** » Tue May 08, 2007 1:56 am

I think we need to list where we're at and what we need to do at this point.
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serleran · Post by **serleran** » Tue May 08, 2007 2:05 am

I am going to be out of town starting Friday (May 11th) until the 21st. During this time, I will not be anywhere near a computer, and if I am, it will not be to check forums.

At the moment, I have asked sieg if he would write up the Society charter and bylaws, and have attained permission from Steve to use the current Society website for whatever we'd like; as I do not know exactly what to put on it, I have not obtained the access from him to do so, but that won't be a big deal.

I agree we need to decide what our first mission is, and I think it is to make the roster available... at least to show where Society members are, and to allow others to join without forcing the Keeper of Lists to manually update it (a headache to be sure.)

One other thing... I would like the Society to sponsor events, from demos at game stores and conventions to providing web-based goods like logos or whatever. To do this, I will need to talk to Steve some more, but I am confident something can be worked out... but, if art is needed, we will have to rely on the availability of the artist, which is slim.

So.. we have some obstacles ahead, but we will overcome them. We're making progress. Stay tuned!

Lurker · Post by **Lurker** » Tue May 08, 2007 12:07 pm

Serl enjoy the trip! I'm on a working trip for my sq.... Come down to Fl review the SOP & training plans, jump a little & stay on the beach for a week.... All goverment dime too, your tax money at work! So I hope you have as much fun as I'm having...

JG cool new pic!
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sieg · Post by **sieg** » Tue May 08, 2007 6:05 pm

Before I get cracking on the charter/bylaws....I need a (relatively) concise mission statement. "To Game!" while concise and fun, doesn't quite cut it.
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serleran · Post by **serleran** » Tue May 08, 2007 6:16 pm

Mission: To extend the dominion of Castles and Crusades on a global scale, and provide the tools and utilities requisite for adventuring that is fast, lethal, and epic; the Society is dedicated to the perseverance of the art of roleplaying, through sponsoring organized events.

Or somesuch thing. I dunno. Never written a mission statement before.

Julian Grimm · Post by **Julian Grimm** » Tue May 08, 2007 10:50 pm

Brian, Let me know if you need help with the stuff Fiff sent you. I'd like to have a list of current members ready in the next couple weeks and I need to confirsm which e-mail addy he has me listed under.
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Ghul · Post by **Ghul** » Thu May 10, 2007 7:04 pm

I'd like to be a part. I have signed up twice before in the last 2 years. Is my name on the list: Jeffrey Talanian? Afraid I don't have time to read through ten pages of posts, so if someone can give me the general idea -- what it is, what I can do to help, and what is required of me -- I'll be happy to contribute.

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optimizer · Post by **optimizer** » Fri May 11, 2007 3:23 am

Howdy!

I signed up back in 2004 with my group the Outcasts. The name I used was Keldar. Hopefully my team and I am still in the list.

Mike

Julian Grimm · Post by **Julian Grimm** » Fri May 11, 2007 1:07 pm

Officers: We need to get the ball rolling on getting how and when we can communicate easily. From the discussions we've had earlier can I assume that Yahoo Messanger is the easiest way? Also we need to see when we can schedule meetings.

Brian: How is the roster coming and when can we begin contacting members to confirm e-mails and such?
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moriarty777 · Post by **moriarty777** » Fri May 11, 2007 1:36 pm

Question: I know that you are planning to set up an online registration, but in the meantime what is the best way... Should I send a PM to Brian (or any other of the officers?)... or is an email a better option. I gave very basic info somewhere (much) earlier in this thread.

Just curious.

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Scurvy_Platypus · Post by **Scurvy_Platypus** » Fri May 11, 2007 3:24 pm

I signed up back in Sept 06. Christopher Fletcher. I'm not exactly clear how I was entered into the roles, although I've been using the name "Dangerous Dungeon Delvers" for my group. Not that everything takes place in a dungeon, just that they're a hazard to themselves when they go into one. It currently fluctuates between 4 and 6 people, with myself handling the DM duties.

Is there an actual offical site these days? Is the above good enoug information, or do we need to re-register at the site?

I've also got a question about the actual mission of the Society as well.

Sieg had a nice point with his first suggestion (last post on the second page of this thread), about playing all games, but having an emphasis on "old school" games, in the sense that the game itself is important, not so much the rules.

I agree with that, but I can't help but notice in looking around the forums and posts at other places, that the "old school" that folks seem to be talking about isn't really a focus on the game more than the rules, but more on remaking something into AD&D and playing AD&D styled games. Honestly, if I want to play AD&D or Basic D&D, I've already got the books. I understand that there seems to be a large chunk of folks that came to C&C because they hate 3.x and want/wanted something simpler. I don't happen to belong to that group though. I've never run a 3.x game and don't plan on ever doing so, but I think there's a wealth of stuff that can be used from various 3rd party books.

Does someone like me even really have a place in the Society? For example, I skimmed a thread asking what folks thought about Eberron. The majority opinion seems to either not care about it, or actively dislike it. I don't expect everyone to like everything (for example, Greyhawk styled games bore me to tears), but I'm feeling an awful lot like a minority in terms of being able to discuss anything that isn't just a rehash of 20 year old stuff.

Julian Grimm · Post by **Julian Grimm** » Fri May 11, 2007 3:31 pm

moriarty777 wrote:
Question: I know that you are planning to set up an online registration, but in the meantime what is the best way... Should I send a PM to Brian (or any other of the officers?)... or is an email a better option. I gave very basic info somewhere (much) earlier in this thread.

Just curious.

Moriarty the Red

In all honesty I'm not sure what to do. Since Brian has the listing I would PM him for the time being.
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Julian Grimm · Post by **Julian Grimm** » Fri May 11, 2007 3:41 pm

Scurvy_Platypus wrote:
Is there an actual offical site these days? Is the above good enoug information, or do we need to re-register at the site?

Not yet. We're working on it but there is alot going on right now.Nieflheim (SP?) has a site that we could use as a hub for now until the final site decision is made.

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I've also got a question about the actual mission of the Society as well.

Sieg had a nice point with his first suggestion (last post on the second page of this thread), about playing all games, but having an emphasis on "old school" games, in the sense that the game itself is important, not so much the rules.

I agree with that, but I can't help but notice in looking around the forums and posts at other places, that the "old school" that folks seem to be talking about isn't really a focus on the game more than the rules, but more on remaking something into AD&D and playing AD&D styled games. Honestly, if I want to play AD&D or Basic D&D, I've already got the books. I understand that there seems to be a large chunk of folks that came to C&C because they hate 3.x and want/wanted something simpler. I don't happen to belong to that group though. I've never run a 3.x game and don't plan on ever doing so, but I think there's a wealth of stuff that can be used from various 3rd party books.

Ok, I am a firm beliver that C&C is so much more than an AD&D emulator. I do believe it works with 3.X just as well as AD&D. Several of our members have done excellent work converting things from D20 to C&C and done well. I see no problems with this.

Personally, I think the C&C society should include all games but under the 'Classic' styles of play rather than the rules laywering and muchkinism of the new styles.

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Does someone like me even really have a place in the Society? For example, I skimmed a thread asking what folks thought about Eberron. The majority opinion seems to either not care about it, or actively dislike it. I don't expect everyone to like everything (for example, Greyhawk styled games bore me to tears), but I'm feeling an awful lot like a minority in terms of being able to discuss anything that isn't just a rehash of 20 year old stuff.

I undestand how you feel. And you do have a place in the society. Yes, there are those of us that came from earlier backgrounds. That does seem to be the majority but there are others that have come from newer backgrounds as well. I think that this is a good thing so the society can reach out to all. Don't let it discourage you though. One thing I have seen here is that we accept all players rather easiliy and don't begrudge them their style of choice.

I hope that helps.
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Omote · Post by **Omote** » Fri May 11, 2007 6:41 pm

Julian Grimm wrote:
In all honesty I'm not sure what to do. Since Brian has the listing I would PM him for the time being.

Obviously certain fascets of the C&CS are still being put together. The website idea is still not fully worked out yet (do we, or don't we need a new site). According to Serleran who talked to Steve, parts of this problem have been addressed. Now we just need to nail down a GO or a NO GO on this.

I'm sure Brian Miller is working on a database or another way to compile the information that he received. This will also take some time as Brian doesn't get to the boards daily it seems.

Really, Serleran has taken this topic by the horns and run with it. For the time being he is the man we need to coordinate with. He also did say that sometime this month he would be virtually incommunicado. Maybe today was the day.

Steve, Davis, Todd and maybe others are going to need to approve the Society Charter that has been most excellently started by seig. Once the Charter is tweeked, modified and tightened up, more work can begin as officers will be assigned particualrs and/or positions.

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Julian Grimm · Post by **Julian Grimm** » Fri May 11, 2007 7:38 pm

Omote wrote:
Really, Serleran has taken this topic by the horns and run with it. For the time being he is the man we need to coordinate with. He also did say that sometime this month he would be virtually incommunicado. Maybe today was the day.

Yep, he's out for awhile. He did leave me with getting the meetings and communication organized and also helping broan with the roll. I want to discuss something about that with him. I don't want to go into detail now until I discuss it with him.

Also I'll be keeping my Yahoo messanger on. My name on it is the same as my user name here.
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serleran · Post by **serleran** » Sat May 12, 2007 2:26 am

Email the C&CS email address, which should be found in the rules forum, in the "links" sticky. I haven't updated it to reflect Brian's "ownership," but that is the official email address of the Society.

TLG will have to ok everything we do, including the bylaws (though, I doubt Steve will have a problem with them.)

As to feeling like a minority.... well, we are all a minority in some way. Sure, some us don't like some things, but we do try to be accepting. That is one thing I will try to enforce with the Society... it is not about one way of playing, or one means to that end. We are a Society, a fraternity of sorts, and we will act like one.

This means there may be some "rules" regarding conduct, especially of officers. We cannot grow if we push aside those whom we need.

And yes, I am going to be gone (read the thread in general) but I'll be back in like 10 days.

Julian Grimm · Post by **Julian Grimm** » Sat May 12, 2007 2:27 am

You know I'd like to see if we could get EGG to help getting set up. He was one of the founders of the original C&CS. Also I'd like to get his imput on setting up the society lands maybe in a model of the original Great Kingdom...
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sieg · Post by **sieg** » Sat May 12, 2007 3:20 am

I'm all for offering Gary to have input, but I imagine his schedule would preclude much involvement.
I'd like to get his feedback on the lands thing as well though.
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serleran · Post by **serleran** » Sat May 12, 2007 3:26 am

There remains the slim potential of merging Gary's FLAGS idea with the C&CS, but doing such might be a very far ways ahead...

FLAGS = Fellowship of Lejendary Adventures Gamers Spcoety (as I recall.) It was mentioned on DF in his Q&A.

If someone wants to try and strike something, I say go for it.