Why isn't US society freaking out over this?

Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:10 am

"According the FBIs National Crime Information Center (NCIC)

85% to 90% of the 876,213 persons reported missing to Americas law enforcement agencies in 2000 were juveniles (persons under 18 years of age). That means that 2,100 times per day parents or primary care givers felt the disappearance was serious enough to call law enforcement.

152,265 of the persons reported missing in 2000 were categorized as either endangered or involuntary.

The number of missing persons reported to law enforcement has increased from 154, 341 in 1982 to 876,213 in 2000. That is an increase of 468%."

The worst year was 1.4 million people, which was in just the last 5 years (I don't remember which year it was).

Its bad enough about adults, but over 700,000 to over 1 MILLION kids under the age of 18 go missing every year. This is JUST IN THE USA.

Why isn't our society freaking out over this?

DangerDwarf · Post by **DangerDwarf** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:23 am

Treebore wrote:
Why isn't our society freaking out over this?

I think in part because they don't know a good answer for it and the answers they might get for the reason behind it they don't want to hear.

Think of the number of families that work multiple jobs (both parents IF there are 2 in the house) and the comparatively small amount of time they actually spend with their children, check up on them, know what they are doing. It has lead to a child snatchers paradise and most folks wouldn't want to see that.

When we first moved to this neighborhood 6 months ago, we were bombarded by neighborhood children my kids' age and they would come over to our place for HOURS. The only reason the parents knew where they were is that I went to the homes of these kids and talked to the parents letting them know.

90% of them didn't know that there kids were playing at a perfect strangers house and had been doing so for hours.

To fix it, we need to look at ourselves, how we are raising our kids and what areas we are coming up short. Thats something not a lot of folks want to do.

Technomancer · Post by **Technomancer** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 12:17 pm

Are they including runaways in with these missing kids? There are many chronic runaways who get pissed at their parents a couple of times a week and take off for a day or two. In many jurisdictions, the parents feel they have to report this to the police each time because they can be held liable for the kid's actions if they don't.

Lurker · Post by **Lurker** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 12:52 pm

DD

I agree whole heatedly!
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mordrene · Post by **mordrene** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 1:15 pm

another thing is the increase of divorces and custody issues. If a couple gets divorced and say the dad lost the custody battle and decided to take off with the kids, then its reported as a kidnapping and a missing persons report is filed. I agree our society is screwed and everyone is all about "me" and not their children.

However, since some crackhead couldn't take care of her baby, I now have a daughter.

Orpheus · Post by **Orpheus** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 2:03 pm

mordrene wrote:
However, since some crackhead couldn't take care of her baby, I now have a daughter.

Well God bless you!

Nifelhein · Post by **Nifelhein** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 2:19 pm

A side note, how many of those are found? This is a thing that changes that information deeply. And I always considered this kind of thing to be the base of rpgs like the world of darkness by white wolf.
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Orpheus · Post by **Orpheus** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 2:24 pm

Nifelhein wrote:
And I always considered this kind of thing to be the base of rpgs like the world of darkness by white wolf.

Huh?

angelius · Post by **angelius** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 2:32 pm

Face it US society is falling apart, you guys should just migrate up to the great white north.
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Nifelhein · Post by **Nifelhein** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 2:34 pm

When a werewolf comes of age and shifts for the first time they leave their parents and go into the world of supernatural, vampires are turned on parties, mages awaken and get into orders...

All of this refers to the Old WoD though, as I have not seen the new.
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DangerDwarf · Post by **DangerDwarf** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 2:40 pm

angelius wrote:
Face it US society is falling apart, you guys should just migrate up to the great white north.

And get eaten by a wendigo?!?! Hell no!

Zudrak · Post by **Zudrak** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 2:42 pm

angelius wrote:
Face it US society is falling apart, you guys should just migrate up to the great white north.

Don't tempt me!

My hockey team won its division and we're going up for a week at the end of May. I am hunting down the Hairy Tarantula that I missed last time. Sadly, due to my wife's health and the hockey tourney, I won't be able to game while I am up there. I want to get in on a game with jman5000 and anyone else in the TO area someday.

Maybe 2008, if my hockey team is worse and my wife is better!
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Nifelhein · Post by **Nifelhein** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 2:46 pm

I always echo things to do with better wives...
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Tadhg · Post by **Tadhg** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 2:31 am

Yep, this is a very serious problem in our country. I've been interested in GPS devices for kids, so you can track them, if necessary. They make a wrist watch that's secured to a child's wrist and cannot be removed. I'm sure there have been improvements since I last checked, but it's time for technology to KICK some *SS against these common thugs and morons.
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Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 2:35 am

Rhuvein wrote:
Yep, this is a very serious problem in our country. I've been interested in GPS devices for kids, so you can track them, if necessary. They make a wrist watch that's secured to a child's wrist and cannot be removed. I'm sure there have been improvements since I last checked, but it's time for technology to KICK some *SS against these common thugs and morons.

Yeah, I have a GPS locator inserted under my 3 dogs skin, why can't we do it (or something similiar) for our kids, and ourselves?

DangerDwarf · Post by **DangerDwarf** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 2:39 am

Treebore wrote:
Yeah, I have a GPS locator inserted under my 3 dogs skin, why can't we do it (or something similiar) for our kids, and ourselves?

Because being trackable isn't a big draw to most people.

Troll Lord · Post by **Troll Lord** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 2:46 am

I can't remember the stats, but most of the missing persons cases filed with police departments are solved in 24 hours and usually because a divorced parent took them or some such. It really brings the number of missing person children down.

If those stats you listed were dead on in a 10 year period some 15 million people would go missing...that's way too many to sustain a population growth I think!
But you might check the 'solved' part of that equation.

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serleran · Post by **serleran** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 3:09 am

Well, umm, Steve, you know a person is not listed as missing, officially, until after 24 hours have already passed. Simply being gone for 12 hours (like momma stole the baby from school or something) is not a "missing person case" legally. So, within 24 hours, after the initial 24 hours... or a whole 48.

Technomancer · Post by **Technomancer** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 12:05 pm

serleran wrote:
Well, umm, Steve, you know a person is not listed as missing, officially, until after 24 hours have already passed. Simply being gone for 12 hours (like momma stole the baby from school or something) is not a "missing person case" legally. So, within 24 hours, after the initial 24 hours... or a whole 48.

That's not true. It completely depends on the circumstances. A small child who was playing in the other room a minute ago and is now nowhere to be seen might be considered missing right away. If your wife never came home from work one night and is still gone several days later, unless there is evidence that something suspicious is afoot, the police may not even take a missing person report.

dcs · Post by **dcs** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 12:20 pm

DangerDwarf wrote:
Because being trackable isn't a big draw to most people.

Exactly.

I don't want myself or the members of my family being in "the system" any more than we already are.
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jman5000 · Post by **jman5000** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 1:17 pm

[quote="angelius"]Face it US society is falling apart, you guys should just migrate up to the great white north. [/quote]

no! no! no!

stay down there and burn down your own house thank you very much... no offense to the very nice people that hang out on this forum that are from the US, I'd accept you - but for the others.... not a chance in hell

missing kid stats, what are the return rates? found rates? Doesn't seem to be a very complete picture without knowing how many are found?

1m out of 300m pop or .33% of the population - being cold and heartless, that seems like a reasonable churn number to me. Living in a society which no longer acknowledges the sovereign authority of parents over their children, of care givers being able to meet out appropriate punishment, and this feeling of disenfranchisement of the youth today - compounded with absolutely no moral grounding of the kids today - I'm surprised the number isn't higher.

cheers,

J.

shit! it's true. the older you get, you move from being a liberal to a conservative.

jman5000 · Post by **jman5000** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 1:18 pm

[quote="Zudrak"][quote="angelius"]Face it US society is falling apart, you guys should just migrate up to the great white north. [/quote]

Don't tempt me!

My hockey team won its division and we're going up for a week at the end of May. I am hunting down the Hairy Tarantula that I missed last time. Sadly, due to my wife's health and the hockey tourney, I won't be able to game while I am up there. I want to get in on a game with jman5000 and anyone else in the TO area someday.

Maybe 2008, if my hockey team is worse and my wife is better! [/quote]

if you need help finding the Tarantula, drop me a line. I can show you.

Cheers,

J.

angelius · Post by **angelius** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 2:50 pm

Yeah its like a secret door, Hairy T.
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serleran · Post by **serleran** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 2:56 pm

Quote:
That's not true. It completely depends on the circumstances.

Which makes it even more true that the data is not really relevant.

Zudrak · Post by **Zudrak** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 3:00 pm

jman5000 wrote:
if you need help finding the Tarantula, drop me a line. I can show you.

Cheers,

J.

Will do, Jman. Thanks!

Quote:
Yeah its like a secret door, Hairy T.

I failed to find it on my first search. Then again, I didn't hear of its location until AFTER I was in TO. I am definitely not elven.
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jman5000 · Post by **jman5000** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 3:10 pm

Dude, you need to be Dwarven to find it - Elven powers would totally fail on this check
Cheers,

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anglefish · Post by **anglefish** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 3:28 pm

Treebore wrote:
Yeah, I have a GPS locator inserted under my 3 dogs skin, why can't we do it (or something similiar) for our kids, and ourselves?

Because others are afraid that anyone else could track us via the GPS chips.

If you want to affect the American people, you have to do it on a personal level for people on the East and West Coast and then get the media involved.

My antedotal evidence?

AIDS

9/11

Virgina Tech.

Until it seems that everyone knows someone who's lost a kid to a kidnapping, it won't become a hot button issue. Even then, the Midwest may or may not follow depending on how it affects them. (Many times people in the "flyover states" write off the bad news as vindication that rural life is superior to city living.)

Zudrak · Post by **Zudrak** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 4:00 pm

anglefish wrote:
Because others are afraid that anyone else could track us via the GPS chips.

If you want to affect the American people, you have to do it on a personal level for people on the East and West Coast and then get the media involved.

My antedotal evidence?

AIDS

9/11

Virgina Tech.

Until it seems that everyone knows someone who's lost a kid to a kidnapping, it won't become a hot button issue. Even then, the Midwest may or may not follow depending on how it affects them. (Many times people in the "flyover states" write off the bad news as vindication that rural life is superior to city living.)

There are also those of us Christians that believe that the ID chip is just a few steps away from worse ramifications. Many technologies have had unintended side effects that were used for more nefarious purposes. It is my belief that the eventual one-world government will use RFID or similar technology to track and remove less-desired elements of society (nay-sayers and those who would cost too much to be kept a part of the greater whole). A new Soviet or Nazi regime will arise in the guise of something peaceful and good.
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jman5000 · Post by **jman5000** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 4:28 pm

[quote="Zudrak"][quote="anglefish"][quote="Treebore"]Yeah, I have a GPS locator inserted under my 3 dogs skin, why can't we do it (or something similiar) for our kids, and ourselves?[/quote]

Because others are afraid that anyone else could track us via the GPS chips.

If you want to affect the American people, you have to do it on a personal level for people on the East and West Coast and then get the media involved.

My antedotal evidence?

AIDS

9/11

Virgina Tech.

Until it seems that everyone knows someone who's lost a kid to a kidnapping, it won't become a hot button issue. Even then, the Midwest may or may not follow depending on how it affects them. (Many times people in the "flyover states" write off the bad news as vindication that rural life is superior to city living.)[/quote]

There are also those of us Christians that believe that the ID chip is just a few steps away from worse ramifications. Many technologies have had unintended side effects that were used for more nefarious purposes. It is my belief that the eventual one-world government will use RFID or similar technology to track and remove less-desired elements of society (nay-sayers and those who would cost too much to be kept a part of the greater whole). A new Soviet or Nazi regime will arise in the guise of something peaceful and good.[/quote]

bah, don't need RFID's or global tracking devices to do bad - electing neo-cons seem to have done a pretty good job as it is without that technology.

You're sadly mistaken to believe that you are not already 'on the grid' as it were. every time you take a $ out of the ATM machine, use your credit card, or make phone calls - you're on the grid. Worse, if you use only cash, only talk in person, and taking every precaution to get yourself 'off the grid' as it were - only highlights yourself more - the lack of information is just as valuable as the information itself.

your best defense (as always) is to make yourself inconspicuous. The difference between that and "giving in" is that you are aware of your actions, and are "blending in" to hide - not blending in, because you are a sheep just following along. then when you take your 'special' transactions off the 'grid' (be it social, financial or otherwise), you will not raise as many (or any) flags. learn the system and use the system against itself is the best way to defend against said system.

invoking end-of-time mumbo jumbo, and Luddite solutions is not a way to be taken seriously.

(back when I was heavy, heavy, heavy into the whole conspiracy thing - before I realized it was only a cesspool of racism and intolerance - I cannot tell you how many conversations I have had trying to drive the point home that technology is neutral [agnostic is the proper word, but may be construed incorrectly] - neither good or bad, learn the tool, and use that knowledge to your advantage)

and no. rfids are not the mark of the beast

Cheers,

J.

Nifelhein · Post by **Nifelhein** » Fri Apr 20, 2007 4:32 pm

You are teasing me... right? I am waiting for Conspiracy X to arrive and you throw this at me, this week there was a spams as hidden communications thread on rpg.net...

Damn!

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