SIEGE, strongest RPG system

CharlieRock · Post by **CharlieRock** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 11:15 am

I was just messing around converting stuff across the different editions and alterations of a multitude of fantasy RPG systems and the thought struck me:

It is easier to SIEGE other systems then the other way around. Basically, for me, it is best to take something from C&C and put it into D&D/AD&D all the way to d20.

Try it and see; convert something from D&D3 into C&C (not too hard to do) then convert it again into CD&D or AD&D. Then convert something similar without using C&C as a 'bridge'. It gets harder for me to do. This even seems so if taking something from CD&D to D&D3. It gets easier with a 'bridge' across C&C.

Why am I doing these kinds of things. A new player to our team brings a AD&D2 Monstrous Compendium with more monsters then in my monster manuals (any edition). He asks me to use them in our game. So just to make sure I was doing things as close to original design as possible I started comparing monsters across all the games. This is when I noticed it is easier to 'lay SIEGE to another system'.
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bighara · Post by **bighara** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 12:22 pm

It's true. The SIEGE system is pretty robust. And it does bridge the gap between older systems, like Classic D&D and things like d20. I've converted a few DCCs from 3.5 to C&C as well as B10: Night's Dark Terror without too much difficulty.

serleran · Post by **serleran** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 12:55 pm

Sort of the intent, really.

Though, I'd say the original idea (to toot my own horn as I am wont to do) was even more flexible.

rabindranath72 · Post by **rabindranath72** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 5:13 pm

serleran wrote:
Sort of the intent, really.

Though, I'd say the original idea (to toot my own horn as I am wont to do) was even more flexible.

Any hints as to what was your idea? (curious, as always)

Brutorz Bill · Post by **Brutorz Bill** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 5:44 pm

Course I'm having a blast converting all my old stuff to C&C.

I've even been converting some spells and critters from my old Rifts books!

Good Gaming,

Bill

Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 5:54 pm

Yep. I not only take stuff from any edition of D&D, but Paladium and GURPS, and even Traveller.

Essentially, if its D20/percentile based its easy to convert.
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johns · Post by **johns** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 6:03 pm

Totally agree. This is why I love C&C - it links together every edition of D&D I have with almost no need to convert anything. Everything just works. Amen!

CharlieRock · Post by **CharlieRock** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 6:32 pm

Thanks to GoO efforts to produce d20 versions of Tri-Stat it is not hard to make a C&C:Anime.
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Jyrdan Fairblade · Post by **Jyrdan Fairblade** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 8:07 pm

Yes, the Siege system is darn muscular, even if I've toed the line for the most part. I'd like to try to push it a little further with my next campaign.

Treebore, dare I ask what you've yoinked from Traveller?

Brutorz Bill · Post by **Brutorz Bill** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 11:01 pm

Treebore wrote:
Yep. I not only take stuff from any edition of D&D, but Paladium and GURPS, and even Traveller.

Essentially, if its D20/percentile based its easy to convert.

Oh man, GURPS! I kinda wish now I hadn't traded in my collection. Drat!

LOL

serleran · Post by **serleran** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 11:31 pm

In answer to Antonio: the idea involved slightly different numbers and a little bit different execution, but the SIEGE Engine is pretty much the same, only more "defined." Some have said it was the impetus for the creation of the SIEGE Engine, because it did not work "right" for "everything," but, I obviously disagree, as did several of the original developers... in the end, and after 4 near-releases (using the original concept,) the SIEGE Engine won out, primarily due to the slightly better wording of how it works. And, I think it made people feel a little more comfortable...

I can't go into it more since its still covered by a NDA.

Heh. Its the one thing I pride myself on. Well, that and M&T. Heh.

old school gamer · Post by **old school gamer** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:08 am

SEIGE SYSTEM IS COOL! SEIGE SYSTEM IS MIGHTY! SIEGE SYSTEM WILL-KICK-YOUR-ASS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:47 am

Jyrdan Fairblade wrote:
Yes, the Siege system is darn muscular, even if I've toed the line for the most part. I'd like to try to push it a little further with my next campaign.

Treebore, dare I ask what you've yoinked from Traveller?

I wrote up a SIEGE mechanic that worked with a combo of the numbers given in Megatraveller with some armor values and weapon values used from T20.

Haven't played it yet, but I think the numbers are pretty solid.

Still, looking forward to StarSIEGE.
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Telhawk · Post by **Telhawk** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:43 am

It's long been my contention that one of the requirements for excellence be the absolute avoidance of confusion, obfuscation and overcomplication...all of which are sins attributable to certain other gaming systems with which I trust we are all familiar (and yes, I'm talking about Snakes and Ladders here - thirty-five years later and I still can't figure the damn thing out). The SEIGE engine has been a remarkable triumph of substance over slickness and bloated production values. To the designers and developers of this remarkable work: Salud.

Dyne · Post by **Dyne** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:43 am

SIEGE is definitely a solid and flexible system. However, I've always wondered something: does SIEGE actually stand for something, or is it just fun to capitalize it?

Post by **Fiffergrund** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:01 pm

I believe it does....but I don't know the entire acronym. I believe the first S is Standard, and the GE is Gaming Engine.

Then again, I could be full of crap.

I remember Serleran's version, as it was in the earliest playtest model. It worked quite well, but it was a little unusual at first. For a good analogy, it was kind of like "lower is better" for armor class: it works well and has some strong points in its favor, but most people like to count upwards.

(Disclaimer: the system didn't work "lower is better." This is just an analogy. )
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