Who else is publishing C&C related material?

Harry Joy · Post by **Harry Joy** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:54 am

Besides Troll Lords, who else is publishing Castles & Crusades related books? The other publishers I'm aware of are Adventure Games Publishing, Beyond Belief, and Goodman Games. I'm curious who else might be supporting the game, or in the process of coming up with new books for C&C.

Brutorz Bill · Post by **Brutorz Bill** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:40 pm

Good question Harry,

I'd like to know about this as well.

Thanks for asking,

Bill

serleran · Post by **serleran** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:49 pm

Discounting the fans, I am unaware of any others at this time.

Harry Joy · Post by **Harry Joy** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:08 pm

Well shoot, that wasn't the answer I was hoping for. But thanks.

gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:12 pm

Harry Joy wrote:
Well shoot, that wasn't the answer I was hoping for. But thanks.

Might see some other folks come on board soon enough. No details as of yet, but keep a weather eye out.
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Brutorz Bill · Post by **Brutorz Bill** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:16 pm

gideon_thorne wrote:
Might see some other folks come on board soon enough. No details as of yet, but keep a weather eye out.

That would definately be cool. Thanks.

CharlieRock · Post by **CharlieRock** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:43 pm

AGP is doing the Wilderlands, and GGames is doing adventure modules. What is Beyond Belief?

Do map tiles count?
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moriarty777 · Post by **moriarty777** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:53 pm

The only thing I recall Beyond Belief doing connected with C&C was "Go Fer Your Gun" ... you can purchase it as a PDF via RPG Now! As far as I know, there was no formal print of it done. I haven't seen it but from my understanding it is a Western themed accessory to be used in conjunction with the C&C PHB.

I'm not sure about the licensing arrangements though (not having it, I can't consult it) and I'm only going from what I've heard.

Can anyone else help clarify this?

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Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:59 pm

moriarty777 wrote:
The only thing I recall Beyond Belief doing connected with C&C was "Go Fer Your Gun" ... you can purchase it as a PDF via RPG Now! As far as I know, there was no formal print of it done. I haven't seen it but from my understanding it is a Western themed accessory to be used in conjunction with the C&C PHB.

I'm not sure about the licensing arrangements though (not having it, I can't consult it) and I'm only going from what I've heard.

Can anyone else help clarify this?

M

I'm playing in Aramis' Go for Your Gun tonight. He heavily modified it though, but we have been having great fun.
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jaybird216 · Post by **jaybird216** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:08 pm

I'll second that. GFYG is a lot of fun. I bought the PDF in anticipation of Aramis' game. It seems to me to be pretty complete, with classes, task resolution, combat, equipment, etc. The license at the back is for the WotC OGL.

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Harry Joy · Post by **Harry Joy** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:28 pm

In addition to Go Fer Yer Gun!, Beyond Belief also has a game called Medieval Murder Mysteries which is based on the SIEGE Mechanic. It is by Simon Washbourne. I've recently picked both of them up from DriveThruRPG, and have only just started looking at them.

rumcove · Post by **rumcove** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 1:43 am

What is TLG's stance on other companies creating material supporting C&C and the legalities involved?

serleran · Post by **serleran** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 1:48 am

I won't comment on the legalities, but C&C is not a fully Open game, so you should ask Steve, directly and not rely on someone here to give you an answer, unless that someone happens to be Steve.

rumcove · Post by **rumcove** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:01 am

Oddly enough, that was the answer I was looking for.

Thanks, Serleran.

serleran · Post by **serleran** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:09 am

Hehe.

Its all in how its worded, you know.

NulSyn · Post by **NulSyn** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:38 am

Isn't there going to be a C&C Freeport?
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serleran · Post by **serleran** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:40 am

Yes, but its not out yet, so I don't consider that a "support product" yet, like the unreleased Paizo things. When they come out, I will say they are supporting C&C.

Harry Joy · Post by **Harry Joy** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:50 am

Man, the more I look at the Pathfinder series... You know, it's really nice. Superior writing, superior art, superior maps - better than anything WotC put out for adventuring materials, well, ever. That's counting the published modules, the "scenarios" they have come to include in every book, and the freebies.

But it doesn't feel like the D&D I want to play. It's too polished, too modern in sensibility. Too, too. Too much. I like the pretty fiction of a wide open world a classic like Borderlands gives. Everything else old school. The DCC's are a great example. We need more, many more, of Goodman's modules, and ones just for C&C would be grand.

Most of all, however, although I sincerely doubt it could happen, is to see Necromancer throw us a bone or two now and then. Of all the minor major's, along with Goodman, Necromancer is by far my favorite.

GR is nice too, but they are very much True20 now.

serleran · Post by **serleran** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:51 am

If Bill Webb is still contributing to The Crusader, than, technically, Necromancer Games is supporting C&C, albeit, indirectly.

rumcove · Post by **rumcove** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 3:22 am

I really like the Pathfinder format. I ran the first module for two separate groups and it worked really well.

Though, Harry Joy is right, it does cater to current trends. Which is sensible.

Plaag · Post by **Plaag** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 12:05 pm

Pathfinder had me with their take on goblins and the maps. Everything else after that has been a great bonus as I read further into their world.

ShaneG.

dcs · Post by **dcs** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 12:08 pm

serleran wrote:
I won't comment on the legalities, but C&C is not a fully Open game, so you should ask Steve, directly and not rely on someone here to give you an answer, unless that someone happens to be Steve.

Isn't it all open except for the SIEGE Engine? IOW, one could create a C&C-compatible module or supplement but not actually say that it is compatible (using the OGL means you can't use other companies' trademarks or product identity). On the other hand, I can't imagine the Trolls being difficult about third-party C&C-compatible stuff.
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Keolander · Post by **Keolander** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 1:17 pm

I still want to see Castles & Crusades: Blackmoor supplements put out jointly by Zeitgeist and Troll Lord. I would SO love to play a Peshwah Knight in RPGA-sponsored 'Living' Blackmoor (Blackmoor MMRPG). I think the setting rocks on toast and would be infinitely more fun played with Castles & Crusades than D&D 3.x or 4E (though, like Yggsburgh/Zagyg, there needs to be good multiclassing rules).
I also want to see Castles & Crusades: DragonLance as well, but I realise I'm merely spitting in the wind for that.
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moriarty777 · Post by **moriarty777** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 1:45 pm

dcs wrote:
Isn't it all open except for the SIEGE Engine? IOW, one could create a C&C-compatible module or supplement but not actually say that it is compatible (using the OGL means you can't use other companies' trademarks or product identity). On the other hand, I can't imagine the Trolls being difficult about third-party C&C-compatible stuff.

Yep, the SIEGE engine... but the whole Prime mechanic would technically fall under it too. If you take out the SIEGE Engine and everything associated with it, you do loose a couple of things. However, if clever enough, you could find a way around that too. So yes... it's possible. However, if I were to personally go that route, I'd probably ask Steve about licensing the material. Better product identity and branding if you're able to splash a 'Castles & Crusades' logo on the cover...

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dcs · Post by **dcs** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 4:36 pm

moriarty777 wrote:
Yep, the SIEGE engine... but the whole Prime mechanic would technically fall under it too.

I don't think the phrase "prime requisite" falls under C&C's product identity . . . you could mention primes but not what they're used for.

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However, if clever enough, you could find a way around that too. So yes... it's possible. However, if I were to personally go that route, I'd probably ask Steve about licensing the material. Better product identity and branding if you're able to splash a 'Castles & Crusades' logo on the cover...

I agree. I was really just discussing a theoretical possibility and not actually giving anyone advice. I doubt there would be too much of a problem getting permission to publish something for C&C.
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CharlieRock · Post by **CharlieRock** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 1:12 am

serleran wrote:
If Bill Webb is still contributing to The Crusader, than, technically, Necromancer Games is supporting C&C, albeit, indirectly.

Doesn't count unless we still get issues of it.
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