Other Rpgs & the Crusader

BASH MAN · Post by **BASH MAN** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 7:46 am

I had read in the post of another member here that the Crusader will begin having articles & information regarding other rpgs, just like Dragon did back in the day (and maybe even articles on computer games, etc). If so, I think that'd be neat.

Any chance there could be an article on BASH?
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sieg · Post by **sieg** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:07 pm

Probably, if you wrote it!
Hey, in the old Dragon days lots of game authors did up expansion articles in the Dragon (Rasmussen for Top Secret, the Divine Right guys whose names I forgot, Jim Ward and Metamorphosis Alpha, etc.)

Part of the problem is that we have to have the approval of the game publisher in question to be able to publish articles on their game. For instance, I'd planned to do up something for AFMBE but getting ahold of Eden Studios for approval has been tricky.

But since you're the BASH author, it should be simple enough right?
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serleran · Post by **serleran** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:11 pm

I so want to start an article that, with each entry, creates a game... that way, you have to buy every issue to have the full version. Yay!

cuchulainkevin · Post by **cuchulainkevin** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 2:13 am

serleran wrote:
I so want to start an article that, with each entry, creates a game... that way, you have to buy every issue to have the full version. Yay!

I wouldn't mind seeing another Tom Wham minigame (other some other minigames for that matter).

It might also be cool to do some miniRPG's in different settings- sort of like Polyhedron/Dungeon was doing before Paizo went solely Dungeon. Those were some of the few issues that I picked up.
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BLOOD AXE · Post by **BLOOD AXE** » Fri Apr 04, 2008 2:42 am

Personally, Im against other games being covered. I'd like the Crusader to stick with Troll Lord games. If I want other stuff, I'll buy their magazine. Maybe just me.

Stuie · Post by **Stuie** » Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:29 am

BLOOD AXE wrote:
Personally, Im against other games being covered. I'd like the Crusader to stick with Troll Lord games. If I want other stuff, I'll buy their magazine. Maybe just me.

Nope - not just you. Me too.

I was ready to subscribe but now I'm feeling more wait-and-see-ish.
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Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Fri Apr 04, 2008 5:20 pm

BLOOD AXE wrote:
Personally, Im against other games being covered. I'd like the Crusader to stick with Troll Lord games. If I want other stuff, I'll buy their magazine. Maybe just me.

What other magazine is there?
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serleran · Post by **serleran** » Fri Apr 04, 2008 5:32 pm

This is another case of damned either way. For a long time, people have wanted Crusader to cover other stuff aside from C&C (they felt it was just cheerleading, for example), and others who want it to be C&C only. So, regardless of what is done, not everyone will be happy. That puts TLG in a nice bind: they have to do what will appeal to the most people -- and, that most is likely a wider-than-C&C-only audience, especially now that Dragon is dead as an in-print magazine, not that it covered anything but d20, anyway.

Stuie · Post by **Stuie** » Fri Apr 04, 2008 5:40 pm

I wouldn't mind system/setting neutral stuff, but I'm reminded of when the Journal of the Travellers Aid Society became "Challenge", started publishing stuff for all sorts of systems (many of which I didn't even own or care about) and gradually lost sight of Traveller. Lost my subscription as well.
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sieg · Post by **sieg** » Fri Apr 04, 2008 7:08 pm

IMO, the best compromise would be to keep the Crusader predominantly C&C (maybe LA too) but run an article every now and then on another RPG. Only occasionally and not to the point where TLG games get crowded out.

Personally, I liked old Dragon magazine's occasional coverage of other games; even ones I didn't have. It let me read something different and if I'm intrigued enough I might go buy it. But I always bought Dragon predominantly for O/AD&D stuff and I stopped buying issues shortly before Gary left so I didn't have to deal with anything else.
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BLOOD AXE · Post by **BLOOD AXE** » Fri Apr 04, 2008 7:16 pm

Treebore wrote:
What other magazine is there?

Isn't there Dragon, Dungeon, White Dwarf, and one or two other small gaming mags around? Maybe Im wrong.

But why support your competitions games?? Its like cutting your own throat. WOTC is way bigger then TLG.

Crusader should have enough content especially with StarSiege coming out.

Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:03 pm

BLOOD AXE wrote:
Isn't there Dragon, Dungeon, White Dwarf, and one or two other small gaming mags around? Maybe Im wrong.

But why support your competitions games?? Its like cutting your own throat. WOTC is way bigger then TLG.

Crusader should have enough content especially with StarSiege coming out.

Dungeon and Dragon are digital only now, so as far as I am concerned they no longer exist. I believe White Dwarf went oop years ago, but I could definitely be wrong. So as far as I know Crusader is the only RPG magazine IN PRINT (stressing the IN PRINT) that I am aware of. Now there are some other small print magazines trying to make a go of it, and I wish them luck, but I would like TLG and Crusader magazine to become the industry organ because I would like the attitude of TLG to shape the industry. If they ever get into being able to reliably publish it would be perfect.
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Harry Joy · Post by **Harry Joy** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 12:17 am

White Dwarf is still around, but it's been strictly about Warhammer for years and years now. No outside RPGs.

To me, one of the good things about writing about other games:
If you don't like it, don't read it. And really, those 5 pages of missing C&C material really won't ruin your life.

Otherwise, it may actually pad the page count.

It encourages people who don't play C&C to pick up the magazine and read it.

It encourages shops who don't see C&C as a major mover a reason to stock the magazine.

It broadens the advertising base.

It broadens the mind and the senses, making us all better people and might very well bring about world peace in our lifetimes.
Hope that helps...

K2h2m3 · Post by **K2h2m3** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 3:26 am

Whoa! WhiteDwarf covers no rpg's at all. What so ever. It's only thier mass battle system rules.

dachda · Post by **dachda** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 3:34 am

I can see Harry Joy's point about exposing other folks and more shops to C & C, by broadening the content of Crusader to other RPGs, but for me, I'm only interested in articles about the games I play. At this point I'm only playing C & C. A magazine full of articles about other games holds no interest for me. Though I agree with Sieg, that a few articles about LA and Star Siege could be good. Reviews of things like Goodman games C&C adventures or of the Wilderlands setting could be great, to help broaden the scope, but otherwise I'm happy with C&C as the main focus of Crusader.

Catweazle · Post by **Catweazle** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 10:22 pm

K2h2m3 wrote:
Whoa! WhiteDwarf covers no rpg's at all. What so ever. It's only thier mass battle system rules.

Indeed; you can't shift for White Dwarf in my locality, and for years it's described itself as a "miniatures catalogue". When I think of what it used to be I could weep.
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Pat Payne · Post by **Pat Payne** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 5:10 pm

Treebore wrote:
So as far as I know Crusader is the only RPG magazine IN PRINT (stressing the IN PRINT) that I am aware of.

Wolfgang Baur's Kobold Quarterly also has a print/newsstand edition.

danbuter · Post by **danbuter** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 7:08 pm

I don't mind if they limit it to one article per issue, and not a huge article at that.

I'd like to see more stuff like the combined classes articles. Or just new base classes.
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Greg Ellis · Post by **Greg Ellis** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 7:59 pm

Personally, I'd prefer to see Crusader become 100% Lejendary Adventure, but that seems rather unlikely. I suppose we can tolerate some C&C content now and again, if we must...
I would NOT like to see any Hasbro stuff (3E, 4E, Magic, whatever). Other smaller publishers, sure.

Post by **Fiffergrund** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:39 pm

Greg Ellis wrote:
I would NOT like to see any Hasbro stuff (3E, 4E, Magic, whatever). Other smaller publishers, sure.

This won't happen. C&C stuff is covered under the OGL, but new d20 or 4E stuff definitely isn't allowed.

So we're safe there.
I used to enjoy the Marvel Super Heroes articles in Dragon, so I have no problem with something similar being included every now and then. The key, naturally, is that MSH was a TSR game. I don't recall any significant articles in Dragon about games not published by TSR, though I could be wrong.

Following this model, naturally it stands to reason that TLG's magazine should feature TLG's games. Reviews of material suitable for use with TLG games would be the natural exception, on occasion.
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dachda · Post by **dachda** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 2:40 pm

Fiffergrund wrote:
Following this model, naturally it stands to reason that TLG's magazine should feature TLG's games. Reviews of material suitable for use with TLG games would be the natural exception, on occasion.

This is my thought too. When I was a kid I was big into the old Avalon Hill wargames and subscribed to their magazine The General. It was always only about their games. Granted as a board game company they had a lot of games to write articles for, but the Trolls have C&C and LA, both of which are soon to have some big new releases. In a month or so (I hope) they will have Star Seige out, with Victorious and R&R after that. They've also got Airhde, Lejendary Earth, East Mark, and the Star Seige campaign setting as well. Seems like there are plenty of article oppotunities given all that. Add in reviews of the material suitable for use with TLG games, like Wilderlands and the Goodman C&C stuff and the magazine should be full of great reading.

Not sure why Crusader which is the magazine of TLG would want to have articles which essentially promote another game companies products. no matter how great the other companies are.
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sieg · Post by **sieg** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:25 pm

In early issues of Dragon mag (1-50 or thereabouts), Dragon covered other games than just D&D or TSR offerings. Traveller was a big secondary game in those days. Others too; though the mag was predominantly TSR/D&D.

Of course, nowadays people are much more paranoid about their IP being used in a semi-professional magazine...so this may no longer be a model that can be followed.
Which is a pity AFAIC. While I bought Dragon predominantly for A/D&D and to a lesser extend Boot Hill/Top Secret; I did like the occasional article about another game; even by a different publisher. But as noted above, these fine ideals might have gone the way of the dodo, the Betamax, and such like.
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Indigo Rose · Post by **Indigo Rose** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:56 pm

Harry Joy wrote:
It broadens the mind and the senses, making us all better people and might very well bring about world peace in our lifetimes.

Crusader magazine as an instrument for world peace--I like it!

And to get back to BASHMAN's original inquiry, I think the post he's referring to was mine when I was stating what I would like to see in future issues of Crusader, not what would necessarily wind up happening. Just 'cause I do layout doesn't mean I can dictate what will happen in the magazine regarding content--all I can do is try to make it look nice when I get it...
I hope that Crusader will have a broader reach than just strictly TLG product; that being said, I don't ever want non-TLG product to predominate within the magazine, it should most definitely take back seat to C&C and its sister games within the TLG umbrella because that's what we're all about. But reviews of other products is a good thing, and as Harry Joy mentioned it's a good way to convince gaming stores to stock Crusader even if they're not too keen on C&C (foolish people).
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seskis281 · Post by **seskis281** » Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:03 pm

Indigo Rose wrote:
Crusader magazine as an instrument for world peace--I like it!

And to get back to BASHman's original inquiry, I think the post he's referring to was mine when I was stating what I would like to see in future issues of Crusader, not what would necessarily wind up happening. Just 'cause I do layout doesn't mean I can dictate what will happen in the magazine regarding content--all I can do is try to make it look nice when I get it...
I hope that Crusader will have a broader reach than just strictly TLG product; that being said, I don't ever want non-TLG product to predominate within the magazine, it should most definitely take back seat to C&C and its sister games within the TLG umbrella because that's what we're all about. But reviews of other products is a good thing, and as Harry Joy mentioned it's a good way to convince gaming stores to stock Crusader even if they're not too keen on C&C (foolish people).

In many respects, that is the idea behind the Domesday Book for the C&C Society - a quarterly newsletter that covers a lot of broad gaming interests, serving as the supplement to not only TLG products but also general interest for other game, lines and companies (as long as we play nice with IP! )

Ok, I'm shamelessly plugging the Society again.
Seriously, you guys are doing a tremendous job with Crusader -- #9 rocked and I can't wait for future ones.

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tylermo · Post by **tylermo** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:24 pm

Ah, yes. The days of Dragon magazine when they featured Marvel Supes, Star Frontiers, Gamma World, etc. I liked that as well. Likewise, you could still cover C&C(for the most part), but also Starsiege, LA, etc.

serleran · Post by **serleran** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 1:04 pm

Ruins and Radiation will not be featured in Crusader -- it is not a TLG product.

shadoes · Post by **shadoes** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:09 pm

White Dwarf does just cover GWs miniature wargames.

I would not mind an article per issue about another companies games. But would like the Crusader to stay predominantly TLG games, C&C, SS, etc.

But the odd article about another game system ain't gonna kill anyone heh