What do they have against Gygax? What did he do to them?

ZeornWarlock · Post by **ZeornWarlock** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 9:47 pm

Why does the man deserve this kind of crap from fellow gamers?

Look at this...
http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.p ... 0&t=670358

ZW.

gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 9:50 pm

ZeornWarlock wrote:
Why does the man deserve this kind of crap from fellow gamers?

Look at this...
http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.p ... 0&t=670358

ZW.

*chuckles* Simple thing to do is 1) Don't poke around threads like that and 2) Dont worry about it.

I know Gary well enough to say with some assurance that he couldn't give a whit what these folks think ^_~`
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ZeornWarlock · Post by **ZeornWarlock** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:06 pm

gideon_thorne wrote:
*chuckles* Simple thing to do is 1) Don't poke around threads like that and 2) Dont worry about it.

I know Gary well enough to say with some assurance that he couldn't give a whit what these folks think ^_~`

1) Can't help it, I like to read what's going on everywhere. Even if it's not the best place for such thing. 2) I never personally met or spoke with him. But it gets to me, still. I find this quite disrespectfull and arrogant.
I bet if the same TSR situation would have happened to them, they would be jumping, dancing and signing like happy little halflings right?
Ah the humanity!

ZW.

serleran · Post by **serleran** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:07 pm

Hehe, much of that stuff is rehashed tripe expected to be found on those boards.

Thulcondar · Post by **Thulcondar** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:31 pm

I've got to say, I've met Mr. Gygax at several GenCons back in the day, bought him a yard of beer once, and I always found him to be a really nice guy.

And yes, he was nice even before I bought him the beer.
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Maliki · Post by **Maliki** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:37 pm

He doesn't, but look at the source.
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Combat_Kyle · Post by **Combat_Kyle** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:46 pm

Met him this year at LGGC, and played some LA with him. Nice guy, with great stories, what's not to like.
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PeelSeel2 · Post by **PeelSeel2** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 11:49 pm

Every man of envy has his detractors. They are but the babbles of men who know they will not be remembered beyond their death and hate others who will be.
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miller6 · Post by **miller6** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:23 am

Gary deserves a great deal of credit for inspiring others to follow in his footsteps. After all, playing any RPG game is a tribute to all those who made it all possible (i.e. conceived the idea and put it on the shelves).

Love him or hate him, an RPG gamer is a Gary immitator, and they say immitation is the greatest form of flattery.

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Tadhg · Post by **Tadhg** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:15 am

ZeornWarlock wrote:
Why does the man deserve this kind of crap from fellow gamers?

Look at this...
http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.p ... 0&t=670358

ZW.

Yeah, it's sad how many people are uninformed about Gary/TSR/Wotc. The lot of them over there seem to be young, stupid and opinionated. I spent some time there a year or so ago and was amazed at the shear lack of knowledge of gaming and the gaming world outside of 3.5. I mostly hung out in the OOP section, but haven't been there in quite a while.

The one good thing might be that some of them will eventually figure out what is going on with D&D and perhaps learn about C&C.

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Arioch · Post by **Arioch** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:15 am

I find it amazing that most of the replies are form people who haven't met hi, but they love to ramble about what they heard some eon else say they heard, or some thing they read in a magazine some where. My goodness man, if you want to insult some one at least try to have some facts on your side

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Traveller · Post by **Traveller** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:10 am

Because Gary didn't like what was done to his creation and said so in public, the kids think he doesn't like them, and they react as kids do, saying they don't like him either. Of course, Gary said he didn't like the changes made in the game, but many of today's gamers equate the game with their own sense of self worth, and take personal offense at Gary's opinion about the game.
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Bowbe · Post by **Bowbe** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:47 am

Sadly alot of these people aren't kids. They are adults that act like children. They have been duped into believing a lot of stuff that simply isn't true (most of it fueled by internet hype) and mislead along the way by their RPG "heroes" who sort of stare sidelong down their noses whenever the topic of Gygax comes up and go "oh yeah... Gary, sure He's cool" in their rather snide way. Wink Wink Nudge Nudge.

It's kind of like those sports reporters that claimed Terry Bradshaw wasn't at the Superbowl this winter because the NFL didn't offer him enough money to be there. I really hate that in case you didn't notice.

Case

Julian Grimm · Post by **Julian Grimm** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:15 am

I posted my reponse to them. Sadly I'll probbably get labeled as a Gygax fanboy and be ignored. To me the whole rank and file of WOTC has a facination with discrediting the older versions of D&D and it's creators. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that the majority of the detractors are actually WOTC employers or designers.

But, I have to wonder how many of these new school designers take the time to communicate with the fanbase like Gyax, Mentzer, or the Chenaults do? How many are truly accessable to their fans if they have questions or want to "talk Shop" ?

They can say what they want but when there is an official Q&A thread for the designers on the main site or you see them pop in without snide comments to the fanbase then they can be truly ranked with the original and best group of designers.
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Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:24 am

Hey! I'm posting over there to back up you, and Gary! They can speak all the nonsense they want but I am going to post some truth in hopes that the ignorant who read that tripe recognize truth and see the hatemongers for the uninformed butt wipes (Got that from baby wipes and diaper changing daddy days) that they are.

I think my ID is gimaryl or King Atyar over there.

Combat_Kyle · Post by **Combat_Kyle** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:31 am

I said my peace over there, maybe being a youngin myself they will listen to me. Ha, I have found many of the rank and file WoTC fanboys are older (go to my local game store they run in a pack). Of course it is the store owner and his buddies and WOTC keeps his wallet fat, can't really blame the guy. I kinda feel dirty evening talking to those people of there, but oh well.
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Dragonhelm · Post by **Dragonhelm** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:47 am

Julian Grimm wrote:
To me the whole rank and file of WOTC has a facination with discrediting the older versions of D&D and it's creators.

That's one of my big pet peeves with the d20 community (mostly the WotC boards). Honestly, there wouldn't be a 3rd edition without prior editions. If the game was so bad, it wouldn't exist to this day (in some form or another).

One of my personal heroes of old school game design is Tracy Hickman. This is the guy who created Dragonlance and Ravenloft, as well as several classic modules. He has been an inspiration to me and my gaming style.

As for Mr. Gygax, I've never met the fellow, but he's always seemed nice when I've seen him on the boards. If I ever did meet him, I'd like to shake his hand and say thanks for creating a genre of games that have provided me with much enjoyment and opened doors for me that I never thought possible.

*raises mug of ale*

Gary, here's to ya.
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Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:52 am

I feel better. Plus I am Treebore over there as well. Guess I'm Grimaryl only on Dragonsfoot.

Traveller · Post by **Traveller** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 4:29 am

Treebore, see if Steve over there can change your board name on DF.
Bowbe, if they haven't the maturity to handle the criticism of their game by one of the elder statesmen of the role playing game, then they are children. Just because they are biologically adult doesn't mean they know how to act like adults.
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Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 4:56 am

I realised decades ago (of my 40 years) that age has nothing to do with maturity. One of the most extreme examples I have had the displeasure of meeting is a 60 something year old woman with a 12 year old trapped inside. Whats worse is she is married to my father.

gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:10 am

Then there's me. Who refuses to grow up cause he wants to be a Toys R Us kid.
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Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 6:04 am

I don't see anything wrong with that, as long as your not pretending to be something/someone else and denying who you are.

Its the ones who think they are all old and mature but are really childish, self centered, pouty, whiny, or a bully that annoys me the most.

gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 6:20 am

*chuckles* One thing for certain. People get the real me. Ask Case, he's had to endure far too much of the real me a time or two too many.
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miller6 · Post by **miller6** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:27 am

Treebore wrote:
I realised decades ago (of my 40 years) that age has nothing to do with maturity. One of the most extreme examples I have had the displeasure of meeting is a 60 something year old woman with a 12 year old trapped inside. Whats worse is she is married to my father.

Hey, I have a mother in law who fits that description to a tee only she's a couple years older, but the spoiled child in her never grew up. She keeps trying to talk my wife into getting divorced (so grandma can gain control of the grandkids).

I know how you feel, my friend and you have my condolences.

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miller6 · Post by **miller6** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:32 am

The best method of showing them what Gary stands for is running a game for them old style so they know what they're really missing.
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Julian Grimm · Post by **Julian Grimm** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:04 pm

I just looked over the thread this morning and it seems the supporters are taking over, there was one retraction from and original anti-gygax person.

It's good to see that the supporters are coming out to answer the lies about him and hopefully set the record straight.

But, I wonder how long it will be before the mods there lock the thread due to "Unauthorized Gygax Support" or some such.
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Omote · Post by **Omote** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:39 pm

I said my peace over there, because it needed to be said. I feel better now too.

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serleran · Post by **serleran** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:05 pm

Wizard's Board wrote:
He is a pure hack 'n slash, DM vs. Players, oldschool meat grinder DM. He doesn't really make monsters or traps to make a better game, he makes monsters and traps to kill your character as fast and gruesomely as possible.

I'd respond to this there, but I refuse to open an account for WotC, and the two I had have been long deleted. Anyway, if someone who does have access would like, they can respond.
Heaven forbid Gary is "adversarial!" How else is the party, and the player, to be challenged? If the traps are simple, and easily overcome, they were not very effective traps. If monsters do not try to kill you, why are they monsters? Ack! Now I see why that rust monster article exists. People have been complacent and emasculated by the computer craze.

TLG -- if you ever get a chance to create a C&C CRPG, I say -- DON'T.

Julian Grimm · Post by **Julian Grimm** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:46 pm

serleran wrote:
I'd respond to this there, but I refuse to open an account for WotC, and the two I had have been long deleted. Anyway, if someone who does have access would like, they can respond.
Heaven forbid Gary is "adversarial!" How else is the party, and the player, to be challenged? If the traps are simple, and easily overcome, they were not very effective traps. If monsters do not try to kill you, why are they monsters? Ack! Now I see why that rust monster article exists. People have been complacent and emasculated by the computer craze.

TLG -- if you ever get a chance to create a C&C CRPG, I say -- DON'T.

So true, so true. The idea that a challenging DM is 'Adversarial' is just absurd. Where is the challenge in a trap that can be bypassed by a single roll and not inventive thinking? What's the point of getting that Horn of Blasting without fighting a big buff monster to get it? I guess the idea of accomplishment died along with the invention of cheat codes and Game Genies.
About the CRPG, if they got the chance they possibly should but not an MMORPG. Something more like the old console games that was about dungeon crawling and exploration over dynamic story or pointless hack n' slash. (Not that I am against Hack n' Slash but just not for a C&C video game)
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Barrataria · Post by **Barrataria** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 6:45 pm

I guess that the countless (literally) times over the past ten years or so in which EGG answered one of my silly questions ore responded to an email I sent him were all just clever impersonations of a decent human. Actually, he's probably running for office or starting a charity, and his decency to me will (I'm sure) soon be revealed as a clever plot to gain my incredibly vast fortune and the benefit of my overweening influence.

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