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Troll Lord · Post by **Troll Lord** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 6:42 pm

Hmmmm.

I'm thinking of changing the name of the Castle Keeper's Guide to the Castle Keeper's Backpack.

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Tadhg · Post by **Tadhg** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 6:45 pm

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seskis281 · Post by **seskis281** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:03 pm

I personally think it's a good idea - reinforce the nature of this product as a secondary volume for options and CK material that is different from the 3-core-book paradigm...

It would also match nicely with the Adventurer's Backpack you have mentioned.

Just don't let a change of name add a refocus that means longer rewriting and delays beyond what you hope to do (i.e. get it out this fall!)

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RLW · Post by **RLW** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:16 pm

Troll Lord wrote:
Hmmmm.

I'm thinking of changing the name of the Castle Keeper's Guide to the Castle Keeper's Backpack.

Have you worked out its EV and capacity?

(ducks, runs)

ssfsx17 · Post by **ssfsx17** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:16 pm

If the change can be done through find/replace, go ahead and do it.

gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:16 pm

In case I have to be captain obvious here, Steve's attempting to be funny.
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seskis281 · Post by **seskis281** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:17 pm

RLW wrote:
Have you worked out its EV and capacity?

(ducks, runs)

LMFAO
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Coleston the Cavalier · Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:24 pm

You guys are making a Castle Keeper's Guide?

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Troll Lord · Post by **Troll Lord** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:28 pm

Actually I'm quite serious. This would entail no re-writing or anything else. Its just a name change, nothing more. I like the backpack concept, plays into the literary side of the game if that makes any sense.

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Omote · Post by **Omote** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:34 pm

It seems like ideas that are meant to be a bunch of optional rules and ideas, would be more like a backpack then a guide.

Would work well with the idea of the Adventurers Backpack.

But then again, Castle Keeper's Backpack would probably not sell as well based on the name alone.

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seskis281 · Post by **seskis281** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:37 pm

May I add that it sets this off as different from all the rest?

Seriously, I like the idea personally. It's a simple change that evokes the atmosphere of C&C.

The scratch-head part of this is that there will be those who will then keep asking "Where's the CKG core book?" long after you release it as the CKB. Conversely, if you keep it as the CKG, then those same people will buy it and assume all the options and varients you might offer are "core rules," then likely complain about inconsistencies...
So my two cents - go with what your gut tells you here. I vote and like the Backpack designation, which, as I said, then ties you to future "Backpacks" as supplementary material (Adventurer's, etc. - I'd love to see a Spellcaster's Backpack myself).

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seskis281 · Post by **seskis281** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:38 pm

Omote wrote:
But then again, Castle Keeper's Backpack would probably not sell as well based on the name alone.

-O

Ya - that'd be my one worry too... for the reasons I said above.

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Troll Lord · Post by **Troll Lord** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:40 pm

So if I named it CKB, then people would STILL be looking for the CKG??? Now that is too much of a temptation!! LOL

I suspect Aldo Ghiozzi, my sounding board and the dude who sells the C&C line will frown at me.

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Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:50 pm

Troll Lord wrote:
So if I named it CKB, then people would STILL be looking for the CKG??? Now that is too much of a temptation!! LOL

I suspect Aldo Ghiozzi, my sounding board and the dude who sells the C&C line will frown at me.

Steve

Yeah, do it. Gives the bit*#ers something to b*#ch about.
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Jyrdan Fairblade · Post by **Jyrdan Fairblade** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:57 pm

Would the backpack also come with the Castle Keeper Trapper Keeper?

Jackal · Post by **Jackal** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:58 pm

CKB huh? I think it's great, especially if the Adventurer's Backpack is still going to see the light of day. Gives the feel of one book of optional stuff for the CK and one for the player.

If you do this however, make sure you change the name from CKG to CKB in the 4th printing of the PHB (What do You Need to Play on page 5).

serleran · Post by **serleran** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 8:07 pm

I don't care what you name it - just print it.

Buttmonkey · Post by **Buttmonkey** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 8:23 pm

Thumbs down on a players' backpack. The last thing I need as a CK is a bunch of whiny players pointing at some optional book every five minutes demanding new powers and rights and options. C&C is a universe properly run by a merciless god wielding an almighty thumb that presses down on all the poor fools who dare tread in his domain.

As for renaming the CKG, I think it would be a mistake at this point. First, as soon as you announce the name, there will be a wave of internet posts demanding a release date again. It's bad enough that these waves come through every 2-3 months at this point. There's no reason to encourage more of them.

Second, you'll still get a bunch of idiots demanding to know when the CKG is coming out now that you've decided to start working on this backpack thing instead. Ugh.

Third, from a marketing perspective, I have to think that you would sell more books entitled CKG than CKB just based on the name alone.

Fourth, can you imagine the confusion and hell that would ensue with retailers like Amazon? They'll still be listing the CKG with a TBD release date for the next 100 years.

Coleston the Cavalier · Wed Jul 02, 2008 8:39 pm

Troll Lord wrote:
Actually I'm quite serious. This would entail no re-writing or anything else. Its just a name change, nothing more. I like the backpack concept, plays into the literary side of the game if that makes any sense.

Steve

Okay. How about "Castle Keeper's Toolbox?"
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Mike Frank · Post by **Mike Frank** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 8:39 pm

How about the Castle Keeper's Nap Sack?

..f*n*y Pack?

..Man Purse! That's it the CKMP!

Mike Frank · Post by **Mike Frank** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 8:40 pm

You've got to be kidding me!?

F.A.N.N.Y is censored?

dutch206 · Post by **dutch206** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 9:42 pm

How about a limited edition luggage tag in the shape of a troll?
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tylermo · Post by **tylermo** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 9:48 pm

Castle Keepers Backpack? Ummm. Maybe not. Looking forward to the CKG, CKBP, or whatever it's going to be. "Guide" just seems to fit better, name-wise. Actually, I'll second the EV concerns. *ducks out of the way, as well*

Coleston the Cavalier · Wed Jul 02, 2008 9:54 pm

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sieg · Post by **sieg** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 9:56 pm

Count me in as another for keeping CKG. Just less confusing and more like the....er..."original" game. You know what I mean!

BTW, remember that F A N N Y is a much naughtier word in the UK than here in the States.
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tylermo · Post by **tylermo** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 11:12 pm

Not to mention that old Bee Gee's song, f*n*y, be tender with my love. Or, whatever it was. Read into that all you want. hehe

tylermo · Post by **tylermo** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 11:19 pm

Let's not forget, Inspector Derrick Grim(?) on Rowan Atkinson's Thin Blue Line. He always refered to people "f*n*y'ing about."

Thegreenman · Post by **Thegreenman** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 11:51 pm

you could just call it sarcina castellanus and watch the books fly off the shelves.

Thegreenman · Post by **Thegreenman** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 11:53 pm

Coleston the Cavalier wrote:
Castle Keeper's Compendium

I like this name a lot, it has that certain...something...But does it fit the product?

Moorcrys · Post by **Moorcrys** » Thu Jul 03, 2008 12:28 am

I'm for keeping it a 'Guide'.

Backpack is not evocative of anything informative, creative, or exciting to me. A backpack itself is mundane and empty -- it's the stuff you put inside it that's interesting. Like if you put a Guide inside it, for instance.
Plus it's confusing marketing -- "I don't want a backpack -- I'm looking for a book. I already have a bag for all my game stuff." I guarantee you some folks will be confused.

My two coppers, but I personally don't feel that particular name improves upon the idea of what the product is.
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you could call it