Experience per Hit Point, please explain?

MutieMoe · Post by **MutieMoe** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 7:21 am

I have recently purchased the Players Handbook and Collectors Box of C&C, I also downloaded this free PDF http://trolllord.com/files/monsters.pdf from Trolllord site which lists stats for the most common monsters.

I don't understand the following part about experience per hitpoint:

"Experience per Hit Point: The number of hit points a monster has influences the amount of experience it confers. To gure this,

simply multiply the number of Hit Points by the Hit Dice of the creature. For example, a 5d10HD creature has an average of

15 hit points. The base is 160 experience points plus 5 experience points per hit point. So 125 extra experience points would be

awarded for this creature."

It just does not make sense, how can this be right, just explain it to me step by step?

My first question is how can 5d10 HD creature have average 15 hit points?

Should't it be somewhere around 25?

Bear, Grizzly has been lsited with HD: 5d8+15 and XP:400+5, how many experience points are gained from defeating grizzly bear with 20 hit points? How many are gaine from defeating grizzly bear with 55 hit points?

Harpy is listed with HD:3d8, why there is no XP per hit point listed on this creature, I would assume Harpy with maximum 24 hit points is lot more challenging opponent than one with minimum 3 hit points? Do players get 175 from defeating either?

ZeornWarlock · Post by **ZeornWarlock** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 7:34 am

I don't use the basic C&C XP system so I hope I'm not leading you the wrong way. But basically if I were using it, it would sound like this to me...

If a creature has 125XP+5 per hit points (Say a wounded creature with only 6HP to make this quick.) (125 + 5X6) = 155 XP total.

Hope this helps?

ZW.

MutieMoe · Post by **MutieMoe** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 8:49 am

ZeornWarlock wrote:
I don't use the basic C&C XP system so I hope I'm not leading you the wrong way. But basically if I were using it, it would sound like this to me...

If a creature has 125XP+5 per hit points (Say a wounded creature with only 6HP to make this quick.) (125 + 5X6) = 155 XP total.

Hope this helps?

ZW.

Thank you, that helped a bit,

that makes sense, althought I'm still scratching my head about the monster that do not have their XP value listed in that format (125+5) but for example when it reads just 175, how do I know how many XP's per hit point I should award for monsters of that type that have wastly different variation in their hit points?

How active are games designers on these boards, how they react to inquiries about the C&C system?

BTW What kind of XP system Monsters & Treasure uses, and how are the XP values listed in that book? I only want to know the format XP's are listed in it.

ZeornWarlock · Post by **ZeornWarlock** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 9:14 am

In the M&T book everything is listed all right. Your grizzly bear would give XP like this...

280+6/HPs

If the + isn't listed, then go for +1/HPs. Add +1 for each special ability.
The Monsters and Treasure book is great and everything seems to be crystal clear, at least to me!
ZW.

moriarty777 · Post by **moriarty777** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 9:17 am

Hi MutieMoe...

I wish I had the M&T book on hand with me right now... but alas I don't.

With that PDF file, the '15' was clearly a typo...

In terms of the M&T book this is what I recall (to answer your question): It does use a table very much like the one in the PDF but it does have one different and IMPORTANT column that would take care of that Harpy issue.

Located next to the base value column, you have the 'per hit point' multiplier (I don't know if it's actually called that but... you get the picture).

So if you are figuring out for a 3 HD creature... you take the base value, have the multiplier calculated and added... and you still have the Special abilties column that confer additional XP (such as extra attacks, poison, etc). I found that the best thing about this table is converting other creatures from AD&D (for example)

I regret to say that in the examples they give with their table in the M&T book are also slightly incorrect but this has been put into the errata for the book (available for download) to clarify things a bit.

When I do get home (I work one of those dreaded overnight shifts) I can look for you to specifically address the Harpy and possibly add other insight into the M&T (unless some other helpful person in this forum answers first)

I'm new to the game itself and have only consulted the book once to calculate XP for my first session (I have to get back to it to calculate the second sessions XP). Great fun though and I haven't had issues with calculating the first time round.

There are a lot of people on the board such as people who have playtested and developed content for the game and any time I have had an interesting question... Someone has been able to answer it.

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MutieMoe · Post by **MutieMoe** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 10:08 am

ZeornWarlock wrote:
In the M&T book everything is listed all right. Your grizzly bear would give XP like this...

280+6/HPs

If the + isn't listed, then go for +1/HPs. Add +1 for each special ability.
The Monsters and Treasure book is great and everything seems to be crystal clear, at least to me!
ZW.

That's good to know, thanks for advice.

I will propably get the Monsters & Treasure book soon as the shop I'm using gets back to my inquiry about adding it to their selection. (Here in periferia where I'm living it might take a while)

moriarty777 wrote:
Hi MutieMoe...

I wish I had the M&T book on hand with me right now... but alas I don't.

With that PDF file, the '15' was clearly a typo...

Ok, I just needed native english speaker to confirm it was.

moriarty777 wrote:
In terms of the M&T book this is what I recall (to answer your question): It does use a table very much like the one in the PDF but it does have one different and IMPORTANT column that would take care of that Harpy issue.

Located next to the base value column, you have the 'per hit point' multiplier (I don't know if it's actually called that but... you get the picture).

That's really good news, I'm fan of XP awards influenced by the induviduals monsters hitpoints too as pretty much the challenge is so different for example if the 1st level party is fighting equal number of 3 hp orcs it's pretty easy pickings for the party but much beefier bunch of 8 hp orcs dispite being the same monsters will propably kill several weaker party members, if not TPK.

moriarty777 wrote:
So if you are figuring out for a 3 HD creature... you take the base value, have the multiplier calculated and added... and you still have the Special abilties column that confer additional XP (such as extra attacks, poison, etc). I found that the best thing about this table is converting other creatures from AD&D (for example)

I regret to say that in the examples they give with their table in the M&T book are also slightly incorrect but this has been put into the errata for the book (available for download) to clarify things a bit.

When I do get home (I work one of those dreaded overnight shifts) I can look for you to specifically address the Harpy and possibly add other insight into the M&T (unless some other helpful person in this forum answers first)

I'm new to the game itself and have only consulted the book once to calculate XP for my first session (I have to get back to it to calculate the second sessions XP). Great fun though and I haven't had issues with calculating the first time round.

There are a lot of people on the board such as people who have playtested and developed content for the game and any time I have had an interesting question... Someone has been able to answer it.

Moriarty the Red

Thanks!

Conversions (luckily) do not seem too difficult, I'm going to run couple of warm up games with goofing around, getting to know the system with more freeform approach, then delve deep in to a bit more structured adventure by old AD&D supermodule Temple Of Elemental Evil.

BTW does the Monsters & Treasure have seperate rules for how much XP you get for defeating NPC's? Evil clerics etc.. Or can the same table used without problems on NPC's too?

Witterquick · Post by **Witterquick** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 6:05 pm

There's another thread about that (with my asking the same question) a few threads down from here.

moriarty777 · Post by **moriarty777** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 5:52 am

re: The Harpy

Guess it took longer than I thought to dig out the M&T book. XP for a Harpy is 40+3... (so 40 + 3 xp/hp)

re: HP per XP

I was re-reading the rules under the table in the M&T book as well as the Errata to clarify them and I only have one question that comes to mind.

Why would you divide by two?

The book states:

"A monster's hit point total influences the amount of experience it confers. To calculate this, simply multifply the number of hit points by the hit dice of the creature, and divide by 2."

It follows with an example (which is corrected in the errata) but I don't understand the division by 2 unless you are determining what a 'typical' or 'average' creature would have. However I don't believe that this is stated.

Was this an editing oversight or is there some other reason?

Thanks,

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moriarty777 · Post by **moriarty777** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 7:31 am

Thanks Serl... I figured it was something along those lines but I guess I'm just used to certain things outlined in black and white... In this case, I knew there was already certain errata for some of this stuff and I just wanted to be sure.

With my first session, when I quickly did up the XP before the players went on their merry way... I skimmed through it and made a slight error in XP calculations. It was when I re-read it today I realized my mistake.

I basically gave the XP per HP only after that average.

In other words, a 1 HD creature (d12) with max hitpoints was worth 11 XP (base of 5 + 6) when it should have been worth 17 XP (base of 5 + 12)

Oops!

The bonus XP I gave for rollplayer MORE than makes up for the oversight but I won't be making that same mistake again!

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MutieMoe · Post by **MutieMoe** » Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:31 pm

moriarty777 wrote:
I regret to say that in the examples they give with their table in the M&T book are also slightly incorrect but this has been put into the errata for the book (available for download) to clarify things a bit.

Where is this errata located?

Unfortunately errata.pdf on your site does not seem to have anything about Monsters & Treasure, it seems to only consern Castles & Crusades Players Handbook?
http://www.trolllord.com/newsite/downlo ... errata.pdf
http://www.trolllord.com/newsite/downloads/index.html

Tadhg · Post by **Tadhg** » Sat Aug 12, 2006 12:05 am

MutieMoe wrote:
Where is this errata located?

Here ya go, MutieMoe!
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MutieMoe · Post by **MutieMoe** » Sat Aug 12, 2006 1:03 pm

Rhuvein wrote:
Here ya go, MutieMoe!
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Thank you, thank you Rhuvein and the Traveller. That is really helpful.

Traveller · Post by **Traveller** » Sat Aug 12, 2006 2:00 pm

MutieMoe wrote:
Thank you, thank you Rhuvein and the Traveller. That is really helpful.

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