How sad is this?

Lord Dynel · Post by **Lord Dynel** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:17 am

And to think, there are still those out there that prefer to live in the dark ages of this hobby... from a major charity, no less.

The mind boggles.

DangerDwarf · Post by **DangerDwarf** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:24 am

The CCF has been boycotting WotC ever since the release of 4e.

Maliki · Post by **Maliki** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:23 pm

Very sad.
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Barrataria · Post by **Barrataria** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:40 pm

DangerDwarf wrote:
The CCF has been boycotting WotC ever since the release of 4e.

Did they say why? I mean, why now?
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zacharythefirst · Post by **zacharythefirst** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:03 pm

That's a shame.
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Lord Dynel · Post by **Lord Dynel** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:21 pm

Barrataria wrote:
Did they say why? I mean, why now?

Maybe they're opposed to the new edition. I'm boycotting them.
Seriously though, it's kind of odd that they're boycotting them now. So were they not before?

Either way, it's still pretty sad.

Bubba Ho-Tep · Post by **Bubba Ho-Tep** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:27 pm

That is very sad indeed.

Coleston the Cavalier · Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:35 pm

I did the funeral for a fellow who owned a strip club once. In talking with his family and friends just after his death, I discovered that he had a dozen children he sponsored through that group and had done so for twenty years.

I bet they didn't know.

I wonder if folks in that group only take their car to a "Christian Mechanic" or shop at a "Christian Grocery Store?"

Extremist are always scared that it will lead to "devil worship." Surely if a child is interested in such a thing, they could just google it?

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Dranoel · Post by **Dranoel** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:18 pm

I'm a Christian and must say- they are retarded. Glad the money went to another deserving group.

Here is a link that picks up 1/2 way through the emotional dice auction and goes to the completion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXX79kTdrJE&NR=1

Julian Grimm · Post by **Julian Grimm** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:21 pm

*sigh* It's sad this kind of things still goes on. But if you look at the history of things that the church found 'evil' you'll get a few laughs. Fiddles, TV, Comic books, Pogs. It just proves my point about the short sighted 'acid test' used by the mainstream church to detect 'evil': If it is popular it may be evil; If it is popular and kids like it, it is evil.

As a disclaimer I am a Christian but, I don't subscribe to a lot of this type of thinking. God gave us reasoning and brains for a reason.
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Dranoel · Post by **Dranoel** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:22 pm

Lord Dynel wrote:
Maybe they're opposed to the new edition. I'm boycotting them.
Seriously though, it's kind of odd that they're boycotting them now. So were they not before?

Either way, it's still pretty sad.

What's this 4th Edition you speak of???

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Julian Grimm · Post by **Julian Grimm** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:25 pm

Dranoel wrote:
//There was only 1 Highlander Movie made.

Yep.
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Fat Dragon Games · Post by **Fat Dragon Games** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:00 pm

I guess CFF didn't realize that the donation FDG made in Gary's memory earlier this year was dirty D&D money.
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Darius · Post by **Darius** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:22 pm

Coleston the Cavalier wrote:
I wonder if folks in that group only take their car to a "Christian Mechanic" or shop at a "Christian Grocery Store?"

That is really bad advice. If it is one thing popular media has taught us, it is that demonic possessed cars do not break down! Sure, some people might go missing in the neighborhood, but I won't have to keep spending money on repairs. All it takes is one evil soul to possess the car and it seems to run much better.

Post by **Breakdaddy** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:03 pm

Fat Dragon Games wrote:
I guess CFF didn't realize that the donation FDG made in Gary's memory earlier this year was dirty D&D money.

You shouldve bought a couple of cases of duct tape instead.

shadoes · Post by **shadoes** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:55 pm

Julian Grimm wrote:
... But if you look at the history of things that the church found 'evil' you'll get a few laughs. Fiddles, TV, Comic books, Pogs....

But Pogs ARE evil

Fat Dragon Games · Post by **Fat Dragon Games** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:11 pm

Breakdaddy wrote:
You shouldve bought a couple of cases of duct tape instead.

You can stop playing innocent BD. It has come to my attention that YOU were the mastermind behind the 'Great Duct Tape Robbery of '08' (that's right, Davis and Steve sold your ass out!) The wrath of the Obese Draconis shall fall upon you next Gen Con.
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sieg · Post by **sieg** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:46 pm

Julian Grimm wrote:
... But if you look at the history of things that the church found 'evil' you'll get a few laughs. Fiddles, TV, Comic books, Pogs....

Yup. At the turn of the century (1900 or so) a lot of churches in the USA decried the "Teddy Bear". They were insisting that its adorable shape and demeanor would destroy the maternal instinct of young women and thus result in a declining population.
Monopoly too...It would turn children into greedy avaricious capitalists with no morals and they'd destroy America.

Don't say it. Its too easy.
Oh, and as most know I'm in TX. There is a hamburger chain (or was; its been a while since I've been back to Tyler) in the East Texas area called Texas Burgers that actually advertised itself as a "Christian Hamburger Chain".

I am not kidding.
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tylermo · Post by **tylermo** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:10 pm

I'm certainly not defending the CCF, but(during the 80's inquisition) I went to two fairly strict houses of worship(not the strictest, but still pretty tough). One of the establishments had the old Chick tracts, so that instantly caused fear of D&D. Not to mention verses in the KJV that spoke out pretty soundly against wizardy, sorcery, and witchcraft. Not saying they were right, but that's where a lot of the crap came from. Not to mention the highly-publicized "suicides". You remember those don't you? The suicides caused by Dungeons and Dragons, and Ozzy Osbourne's anti-alcohol song, "Suicide Solution". Ah yes, the old pop culture inquisition days. CCF, I'd be worried about a lot of things worse than old D&D when it comes to kids, and teens. Statistically, it's not occult memberships, coven collaborations, and possessions you've got to worry about...it's alcohol, sex, and drugs. Those things will more likely(if at all) adversely affect your child's life. Get a clue. All those years, people(who didn't know Gary)assumed that the D&D creators were the Great Satan, and in the end, he was giving money to the Christian Children's Fund. It must have been a ruse to cover up his demonic leanings. He, and J.K. Rowling were probably working together. *only joking* At least the Fisher House will put the money to good use.

Coleston the Cavalier · Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:18 pm

tylermo wrote:
Not to mention verses in the KJV that spoke out pretty soundly against wizardy, sorcery, and witchcraft.

*Looks around nervously*
I would never tell someone what to believe or what or what not to do (on this board). The prohibitions against those particular things are in the original language manuscripts too. But good point.
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tylermo · Post by **tylermo** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:26 pm

No doubt that it was. Well, the verse about not suffering a witch to live, translated to poisoner (instead of witch) in the original Hebrew, but who's counting? heheh It probably became "witch" during the re-write(during the James theocracy) Anyway, it's not so much that I'm disputing the verses, just the fact that most people who used it against D&D, He-Man, Harry Potter, and the Smurfs, still continued to watch Disney films, Wizard of Oz, and Bewitched. All which had some sorcery, and/or witchcraft in it. I'm sure we're agreed on that. The number of people who avoid all tv, books, and movies with that content are few and far between these days. But, I do take your point about the manuscripts. You are correct. And, if participating in those kinds of pop culture activities is enough to send one to the infernal regions, than many people(including those who attack some of the afore-mentioned) may be up sh!t creek on the judgement day.

Dranoel · Post by **Dranoel** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:43 pm

tylermo wrote:
The suicides caused by Dungeons and Dragons, and Ozzy Osbourne's anti-alcohol song, "Suicide Solution".

Statistics being what they are- you should be able to almost forever playing C&C or D&D vs. getting killed in a car accident.

Automobile fatalities per year is +40,000. I don't see an outcry to demonize vehicles. People attack what they don't understand. Been like this since the beginning of time.

Julian Grimm · Post by **Julian Grimm** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:46 pm

I would love to comment on your above conversation there but I better not. Not that I would be arguing with you but these types of discussions are best off board.

And I too, find it ironic that there is so much angst over D&D still. The irony being Gygax and Arneson are both Christians.
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tylermo · Post by **tylermo** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:59 pm

True, I didn't want to go too far with my comments, because I actually grew up with, and know a lot of wonderful, well-meaning religious folk. I'm definately not one of the bashers. Just wanted to point out(about people in general) the ability to have their cake and eat it too when it comes to the pop culture. Grimm, you're comment is probably well taken. I may have crossed the political line when I used the term "theocracy", so I will beg the leniency of the moderators, and wrap up my comments on the CCF issue. Sorry.

Coleston the Cavalier · Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:08 pm

Well put Tylermo.

Personally, I like for my bad guys to be "Bad Guys." Here's part of the art that's in this preacher's latest release(Adventure by Alphonso Warden & art by John Bingham):

I pretty sure everyone here knows that even as our characters cast spells and do battle with demons, it's all just pretend. The spells MU's cast are not "real" spells and such. In fact, modern "Christian mythology," as some refer to Tolkien, is full of such things.

Others disagree with us and they are free to do so.
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Lord Dynel · Post by **Lord Dynel** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:08 pm

Coleston the Cavalier wrote:
I pretty sure everyone here knows that even as our characters cast spells and do battle with demons, it's all just pretend. The spells MU's cast are not "real" spells and such. In fact, modern "Christian mythology," as some refer to Tolkien, is full of such things.

That's not what Jack Chick would have you believe.
To state it yet again (without sounding like I'm church bashing, because I'm not), I'm just totally baffled that this kind of thinking still exists today. I guess D&D, and RPGs in general will bear this cross (no pun intended....okay, maybe a little ) till the end of its days.

Fat Dragon Games · Post by **Fat Dragon Games** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:30 pm

It disappoints me that after all these years they are still flogging D&D, but refuse to pursue truly evil pastimes within our society like duct tape larceny.
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Coleston the Cavalier · Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:48 pm

As a pastor, I take heat every year because we decorate for Halloween and our kids trick or treat.

Other pastors in town always ask me, "Wouldn't you rather have a harvest festival?" I always respond, "But that's pagan and I don't want to sacrifice a virgin. Are you sacrificing a virgin at your church's harvest festival this year?"

*Apologies to my Pagan friends*
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serleran · Post by **serleran** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:59 pm

I will be.

gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:59 pm

Coleston the Cavalier wrote:
As a pastor, I take heat every year because we decorate for Halloween and our kids trick or treat.

Other pastors in town always ask me, "Wouldn't you rather have a harvest festival?" I always respond, "But that's pagan and I don't want to sacrifice a virgin. Are you sacrificing a virgin at your church's harvest festival this year?"

*Apologies to my Pagan friends*

Naw, virgin sacrifice went out of practice centuries ago due to scarcity.
My fellow in the society of Bacchus tend to get there first.
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