New Barbarian?

GameOgre · Post by **GameOgre** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 1:30 pm

In TL's blog he mentions that the Barbarian is going to be (or has been) redone. Anyone have a clue how?

I know there was a post about redoing it but I thought that was mostly just us fans kicking around ideas.

Wonder if we will have to buy the new reprinting on the players handbook or if they will release it as eratta?
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Jackal · Post by **Jackal** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 3:26 pm

Probably both in the reprint and errata. As for how it's to be changed, no idea on that one. I was one of the few who liked the barbarian as is (except for the name) so I generally didn't have too much to do with "fix the barbarian" threads.
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serleran · Post by **serleran** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 6:13 pm

I'm sure Steve, Davis, and Peter know the new class.

You won't "have" to buy the new book. Maybe we'll get lucky and there'll be a download actually on the Troll site...
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Lord Dynel · Post by **Lord Dynel** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 6:26 pm

serleran wrote:
I'm sure Steve, Davis, and Peter know the new class.

You won't "have" to buy the new book. Maybe we'll get lucky and there'll be a download actually on the Troll site...

Yeah, Steve did say in a post that the barbarian was going to get a rehaul, and the illusionist was going to get tweaked as well.

And as far as the content being downloadable, I got blasted over at the Upcoming Products forum when I suggested that the additional content of gods be available for a download, so I'll keep my mouth shut here. Maybe they can put the revised classes in Crusader?
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serleran · Post by **serleran** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 6:30 pm

I'd consider it a mistake to make alterations to the Core rules obligatorily purchased. But, that's me.

Maybe have it in both places would be best. A Crusader "preview" and a few months later, up it goes to the website. I could live with that.
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Frost · Post by **Frost** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 7:08 pm

Another option would be an Unearthed Arcana-style book for new and alternate classes.
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gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:34 pm

GameOgre wrote:
In TL's blog he mentions that the Barbarian is going to be (or has been) redone. Anyone have a clue how?

Erik the Viking is the baseline model.
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Lord Dynel · Post by **Lord Dynel** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 10:17 pm

gideon_thorne wrote:
Erik the Viking is the baseline model.

Careful...don't get anyone's hopes up.
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Barrataria · Post by **Barrataria** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 10:41 pm

serleran wrote:
I'd consider it a mistake to make alterations to the Core rules obligatorily purchased. But, that's me.

It's not just you.
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Jackal · Post by **Jackal** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 11:00 pm

Barrataria wrote:
It's not just you.

Agreed. It's one thing to add little things that aren't really "errata" like changes to the encumbrance system, etc. But a rewritten class should be available as a pdf download for those who choose not to pick up the new books. I'll be buying them so no worries on my end, but I still feel for those who won't.
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Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Tue Jan 06, 2009 11:09 pm

Jackal wrote:
Agreed. It's one thing to add little things that aren't really "errata" like changes to the encumbrance system, etc. But a rewritten class should be available as a pdf download for those who choose not to pick up the new books. I'll be buying them so no worries on my end, but I still feel for those who won't.

Yep, and I am pretty sure the Trolls feel the same way.
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Go0gleplex · Post by **Go0gleplex** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:57 pm

The new Barbarian is Mucho Grande!

Better abilities and more rounded out as a class...
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PeelSeel2 · Post by **PeelSeel2** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:04 pm

Mechanics of class?
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phadeout · Post by **phadeout** » Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:12 pm

It would be nice, for those of us with earlier editions, to not have to buy this book, but instead have a nice PDF Errata.............
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Omote · Post by **Omote** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 2:33 am

The updated barbarian is tres bien! However, the new barbarian is not really errata. In effect, it's almost like a whole new class. You can use the old barbarian and the new barbarian in the same campaign if you wanted. The classes are that different, mechanically speaking.

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Relaxo · Post by **Relaxo** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 9:53 am

Omote hit it on the head.

But I can see what people are saying, it would be nice to be able to get the class without buying a new book.

That said, the new book is sweet in other ways, so it's a good buy. I'm assuming there will be some kind of holiday sale coming up, or it may be cheaper on amazon.com.

edit-

I don't think the book is cheaper on Amazon at this time, but I tried to pump it a bit
http://www.amazon.com/Castles-Crusades- ... thanks_hdr

Frost · Post by **Frost** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 1:47 pm

Here is a quick rundown:
Deerstalker: live off the land
Intimidate: Oponent(s) make a CHA check or else load their pants (i.e., they receive combat penalties)
Primeval Instincts: Perform feats of strength/endurance
Whirlwind Attack: Attacks multiple opponents (the amount is based on level)
Primal Will: Extra HPs kick in when severely wounded
Ancestral Calling: Temporarily boost the HP of comrades
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Joe Mac · Post by **Joe Mac** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 10:21 pm

I'm actually thinking, for my own use, of combining the best features of the 'new' and 'old' barbarian. Neither one is exactly what I want, but picking judiciously from both can get me there, I think.

Sorry, I've just got to be like that..

Lord Dynel · Post by **Lord Dynel** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 11:25 pm

Joe Mac wrote:
I'm actually thinking, for my own use, of combining the best features of the 'new' and 'old' barbarian. Neither one is exactly what I want, but picking judiciously from both can get me there, I think.

Sorry, I've just got to be like that..

Do what makes you happy boss! I like both barbarians, and I could see both being used, but I don't know. I don't see anything wrong with combining some class features. I admit, at first I was hoping TLG would do the recast of the barbarian clser to the 1st Edition one, but I'm kind of glad they struck out in their own direction.
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Omote · Post by **Omote** » Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:02 am

In the Favorite Class Combinations thread, Hrolfgar suggested multiclassing the new barbar with the old barbar. That could produce some muscle for sure. Neat idea.

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anglefish · Post by **anglefish** » Sat Oct 17, 2009 2:55 pm

I think of the new barbarian as a Ranger type who tromps through the woods with attitude.

I can see the new class being the type to get drunk and punch out a horse.

anonymous · Post by **anonymous** » Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:21 pm

Frost wrote:
Here is a quick rundown:
Deerstalker: live off the land

Ah, every class should have at least one ability named after a hat.

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