Once again, the answer given doesn't really answer the question.
If the definition of humanoid given isn't the intent, why offer it in the first place?
What I'm after here is the BY THE BOOK, defionitive answer to what creatures are affected by the Combat Marauder class ability. A specific list is preferable, since I am offering two lists that meet the defintiion, if not BY definition, then certainly in spirit,
Serl, by your answer the list does get smaller, but not by much:
Bugbear (Humanoid)
Centaur ( Monstrous Humanoid)
Ettin (Giant class)
Gargoyle ( Monstrous Humanoid)
Giant, Cloud (Giant class)
Giant, Fire (Giant class)
Giant, Frost (Giant class)
Giant, Hill (Giant class)
Giant, Stone (Giant class)
Giant, Storm (Giant class)
Gnoll (Humanoid)
Goblin (Humanoid)
Hag, Annis (Humanoid)
Hag, Green (Humanoid)
Harpy (Humanoid)
Hobgoblin (Humanoid)
Kobold (Humanoid) (Giant class in AD&D. Why?)
Lizardfolk (Humaoid)
Locathah (Humanoid)
Medusa (Monstrous Humanoid)
Merman/Mermaid (Humanoid)
Minotaur (Giant)
Ogre (Giant)
Ogre Mage (Giant)
Orc (Humanoid)
Sahuagin (Humanoid)
Troglodyte (Humanoid)
Troll (Giant)
So, now, does 'Monstrous Humanoid' qualify? If not, what is meant by 'Monstrous' in this case, and how and / or why does it alter the second term 'Humanoid'?
Pete, the CM ability description says "and the like" in the sentence citing examples of both humanoids and giants. Please define "and the like".
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Re: Ranger Combat Marauder question redux
The book itself already defined 'and the like'. It gave a short list of creatures, then recommended anything like the list given.
Consider the rest of the ranger's description. They protect wilderness areas. So, logically, any creature that could be found in such environments, and falls into the humanoid, or giant, class can fit.
I expect the phrase 'and the like' was put in there to include either 1) similar creatures or 2) creatures that haven't been written yet but could fall into either category.
When an ability is left open to a certain wider interpretation, like this one was, the 'by the book answer' then is 'whatever your game master decides to include on that list.
Some definitions are offered the way they are so a given game group can make the game their own by not binding players and game masters to locked in specifics.
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Consider the rest of the ranger's description. They protect wilderness areas. So, logically, any creature that could be found in such environments, and falls into the humanoid, or giant, class can fit.
I expect the phrase 'and the like' was put in there to include either 1) similar creatures or 2) creatures that haven't been written yet but could fall into either category.
When an ability is left open to a certain wider interpretation, like this one was, the 'by the book answer' then is 'whatever your game master decides to include on that list.
Some definitions are offered the way they are so a given game group can make the game their own by not binding players and game masters to locked in specifics.
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