Newbie question about C&C print product

Scars Unseen · Post by **Scars Unseen** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:04 pm

Hey everyone. I'm a fairly long time D&D player(20 years this year) and I was going through the 4E books and suddenly realized that all my best times playing were back in the 2E days. After pondering the matter for a time I figured out that I was getting tired of being bogged down with rules so heavy that miniatures were almost a requisite for playing. It didn't take me too long to find Castles & Crusades after that, and I am eager to give this game a chance.

OK, that's out of the way.

I have read that C&C is in its third printing, and I would assume that TLG would be selling the latest version from their site, but there is some text in the product information that casts some doubt on the matter. The info on the personalized edition of the PHB says that is is available in either the first or second printing with no mention of a third. This may just mean that it is a dated product, but then the text for the standard edition makes no mention of printings at all. So is the standard edition currently on sale fro the TLG site the third printing?

Dagger · Post by **Dagger** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:11 pm

If you order the regular PHB, it will be the 3rd printing. If you order the Leatherette version you mentioned it is somewhere between the 2nd and 3rd printing.
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Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:21 pm

Also be aware that the 4th printing of the PH and 3rd printing of the M&T will be out within the next couple of months. New layout, changes to the Barbarian and illusionist classes, errata fixed, new errata created, etc...

Have you downloaded the free rules version? It has all the rules basics and covers the first 3 levels of the game.
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slimykuotoan · Post by **slimykuotoan** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:22 pm

The second and third printings are identical in terms of information. The only difference is that the third printing is on 'glossy pages' while the second has regular paper.
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Scars Unseen · Post by **Scars Unseen** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:38 pm

Thanks for the replies.
I think that I will try out the free rules version and then wait for the 4th printing if it works out for me.

Omote · Post by **Omote** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 1:35 am

Is the personalized version of the PHB even available anymore?

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Lord Dynel · Post by **Lord Dynel** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 1:46 am

slimykuotoan wrote:
The second and third printings are identical in terms of information. The only difference is that the third printing is on 'glossy pages' while the second has regular paper.

Are you serious that's the only difference? I think I'd rather have the 2nd print, if that's the case.
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DangerDwarf · Post by **DangerDwarf** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 1:52 am

Lord Dynel wrote:
Are you serious that's the only difference? I think I'd rather have the 2nd print, if that's the case.

2nd print is the win.

My 3rd print languishes in un-use.

serleran · Post by **serleran** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:02 am

No, it is not the only difference. The 3rd print PHB has the corrected and newly official poison rules (which can also be found in Miasmal Wyrms), corrected errata, some monster stats in the book, and other textual / layout changes -- to call the two "identical" is misleading.
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DangerDwarf · Post by **DangerDwarf** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:26 am

Monster stats?

slimykuotoan · Post by **slimykuotoan** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:26 am

Oh right, I forgot about the poison table.
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Omote · Post by **Omote** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:30 am

DangerDwarf wrote:
Monster stats?

In the rear of the book, page 124-125 I believe, there are stats for a few monsters in the examples of play.

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DangerDwarf · Post by **DangerDwarf** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:31 am

Yeah, but those are in the 2nd print too.

Omote · Post by **Omote** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:40 am

Hmm, then maybe in the Attributes & The Game section. Look, I can't keep track of all these things man. I've got like 5 1/2 printings of these things rolling around in me skull!!! Sheesh.
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DangerDwarf · Post by **DangerDwarf** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:44 am

Pshhhh, excuses!

I like some of the formatting changes in the 3rd print. I just do not like the paper from the 3rd print, whatever the paper is treated with smells awful and gives me a headache.

Lord Dynel · Post by **Lord Dynel** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 3:11 am

DangerDwarf wrote:
Pshhhh, excuses!

I like some of the formatting changes in the 3rd print. I just do not like the paper from the 3rd print, whatever the paper is treated with smells awful and gives me a headache.

I actually one potential player because of the freakin' smelly pages! He's one of the guys coming up with me to GenCon, so maybe I can trick him into a game of C&C and we can gang up on him and get his silly ass to convert!
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Omote · Post by **Omote** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 3:22 am

Man, y'all dont like the smell of the printed page? Intoxicating I tell you. *shudders* I need to change me knickers.

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DangerDwarf · Post by **DangerDwarf** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 3:39 am

Omote is a huffer.

gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 4:09 am

Lord Dynel wrote:
Are you serious that's the only difference? I think I'd rather have the 2nd print, if that's the case.

*chuckles* No, its not the only difference. The third printing has the fixed poison tables.
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Lord Dynel · Post by **Lord Dynel** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 12:32 pm

gideon_thorne wrote:
*chuckles* No, its not the only difference. The third printing has the fixed poison tables.

That's what I thought. Do we know yet if the upcoming printings are going back to non-glossy paper?
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Buttmonkey · Post by **Buttmonkey** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:42 pm

I think the 3rd printing also gives some details about the paladin or knight's mount.

gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 3:17 pm

Lord Dynel wrote:
That's what I thought. Do we know yet if the upcoming printings are going back to non-glossy paper?

It wont be on the same paper as the third printing. Something more durable.
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CharlieRock · Post by **CharlieRock** » Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:34 am

gideon_thorne wrote:
It wont be on the same paper as the third printing. Something more durable.

stone?
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Inkole · Post by **Inkole** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:35 pm

I notice a thread for the M&T 3rd printing in the upcomming products section, but there isn't one (that I've found) for the PHB 4th printing there. Why is this? Is my serch-fu weak?

I can hardly contain myself for the new books!

Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 8:42 pm

If you go to the TLG website you can see the info for the 4th printing of the PH in the on line catalogue.

OK, I'll go get the link.

Here ya go.
http://www.trolllord.com/catalog/index.html

Yes, there have been threads about the 4th printing, in this forum. So your searching wasn't in vain, just flawed in some way.
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