Necromancer Games does 4E...Classic

[Benoist]

gideon_thorne wrote:
*chuckles* Nice. Necro's going boldly where C&C already is.

Basically.

To be honest, I don't see the point of this "4e Classic" thing beyond the marketing of products with the shiny "4e rules, 1e feel" sticker on it.

"Pass", I'm afraid.

[Julian Grimm]

Anyone remember when the two satellites collided? This will end about the same.
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[moriarty777]

Julian Grimm wrote:
Anyone remember when the two satellites collided? This will end about the same.

Isn't that what happened to crash the Satellite in the remake of the Andromeda Strain?
There is a good thing that might come of this and perhaps even shock a couple of us. There may be some interesting material which could be ripped for use in with C&C. I know most of us won't or aren't likely to but, there's always a chance... right?

Besides, it might shake some adopters of 4th Edition enough by offering something of a classic style to discover something like C&C. I'm just saying that you can't know all the consequences till it's done.

And since they say they are going to support Pathfinder, all hope isn't lost since that's just a closer step to C&C. I do wish they would properly support C&C like Goodman does but, I haven't heard much word from Goodman either in this regard. The big push is also with 4th Edition lately. As for their 'system-neutral' supplements, it would be nice to see more of them but aside from Points of Light or the Esoteric Creature Generator, I haven't seen much on that end either. Both these products do kick ass but I digress from the thread in progress.

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I'm glad that they are moving closer in the direction of getting more material out, regardless of edition/rules. And doubly so that it'll happen when I can maybe afford more books.

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[Lord Dynel]

moriarty777 wrote:
Isn't that what happened to crash the Satellite in the remake of the Andromeda Strain?
There is a good thing that might come of this and perhaps even shock a couple of us. There may be some interesting material which could be ripped for use in with C&C. I know most of us won't or aren't likely to but, there's always a chance... right?

Besides, it might shake some adopters of 4th Edition enough by offering something of a classic style to discover something like C&C. I'm just saying that you can't know all the consequences till it's done.

And since they say they are going to support Pathfinder, all hope isn't lost since that's just a closer step to C&C. I do wish they would properly support C&C like Goodman does but, I haven't heard much word from Goodman either in this regard. The big push is also with 4th Edition lately. As for their 'system-neutral' supplements, it would be nice to see more of them but aside from Points of Light or the Esoteric Creature Generator, I haven't seen much on that end either. Both these products do kick ass but I digress from the thread in progress.

M

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[moriarty777]

Lord Dynel wrote:
You're too optimistic, mort.

Nah... usually I'm just quietly plotting something big.

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moriarty777 wrote:
Nah... usually I'm just quietly plotting something big.

M

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[JRR]

I'm a huge Necro fan. I was one of their very first customers; I must have stumbled upon their website the day it went live. I wish Clark and co the very best, but I don't think "Classic 4e" will be near the success their 1e feel products were. Clark refuses to strip the idiotic healing surges, and marking and hitting on a miss, and minions who explode when they stun their toe. That crap has to go before their can be anything "classic" about any product they produce. Until then, they're tilting at windmills.

4e fans won't like classic, they like their teleporting elves and regenerating rogues. Old school fans won't be able to get by the nonsensical ruleset. They are left with a small minority who want to straddle a very rickety fence.
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[Lord Dynel]

I will admit, Necro has some great stuff. I love RA, ToH, and they have some great modules, too. I stopped supporting them for the same reason I stopped supporting WotC - the edition switch. The fact that Necro didn't switch right away with the arrivial of the original GSL gave me a little hope, but I remained wary. Then I heard they were going to support PF and I became a little more hopeful. Only now, that the revision of the GSL and Necro's final decision to support 4e can I make my decision to to cease support of them final. I wish them luck, I just think this is a bad move all around. Maybe I'm wrong though.
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[Frost]

Lord Dynel wrote:
I will admit, Necro has some great stuff. I love RA, ToH, and they have some great modules, too. I stopped supporting them for the same reason I stopped supporting WotC - the edition switch. The fact that Necro didn't switch right away with the arrivial of the original GSL gave me a little hope, but I remained wary. Then I heard they were going to support PF and I became a little more hopeful. Only now, that the revision of the GSL and Necro's final decision to support 4e can I make my decision to to cease support of them final. I wish them luck, I just think this is a bad move all around. Maybe I'm wrong though.

Dynel, just a heads up, there are supporting both 4e and Pathfinder. Bill Webb is on board too and Clark mentioned on the NG boards that Bill will be more involved with Pathfinder than 4e.
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[Grendel T. Troll]

Treebore wrote:
They did sign on with Pathfinder, on top of 4E. Yes, it is possible to do what they want under the newly posted revised GSL. Posted just today, I believe.

Yes, Section 6 of the previous GSL - the part about "once you support GSL, you must 86 your OGL" - has been removed from the license.

I am not exactly sure why they did it. I am hoping it's because WotC is giving the proverbial "finger" to their Hasbro overlords.........
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They did it because they know the game needs support -- while many customers will look to WotC for core material, they will also look elsewhere for add-ons and supplements, especially modules which WotC won't make money on (the real money with any game is the rule system, as far as I can tell.)
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[gideon_thorne]

Grendel T. Troll wrote:
I am not exactly sure why they did it. I am hoping it's because WotC is giving the proverbial "finger" to their Hasbro overlords.........

*chuckles* Oh, I can tell ya exactly why they did it. Because every company out there gave the GSL the finger when they saw that provision in there.
As it is, there are only like 2-3 companies supporting even the revised GSL. Most have other avenues like GreenRonin's True 20 or the TLG Siege engine games. Course, Kenzer simply writing "compatible with" stuff in accordance with 'fair use' laws might have been the tipping point.

Ya just cant be too restrictive with this stuff cause folks used to more open ended set ups can and will take their toys elsewhere.
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[Lord Dynel]

TheFrost wrote:
Dynel, just a heads up, there are supporting both 4e and Pathfinder. Bill Webb is on board too and Clark mentioned on the NG boards that Bill will be more involved with Pathfinder than 4e.

Yeah, I know. I just want to see te quality of PF stuff before I raise any hope for Necro. As long as they don't put all their attention in 4e stuff and the scraps get left over for PF then I might take a look.
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[Treebore]

Lord Dynel wrote:
Yeah, I know. I just want to see te quality of PF stuff before I raise any hope for Necro. As long as they don't put all their attention in 4e stuff and the scraps get left over for PF then I might take a look.

Neither Necro or Paizo are in the habit of putting out crap, and I seriously doubt that they'll start now.
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Treebore wrote:
Neither Necro or Paizo are in the habit of putting out crap, and I seriously doubt that they'll start now.

Hear Hear!! Can't wait to see what they put out myself!
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[Orpheus]

I think that it sounds like a fine idea and I can't wait to see what they put out. In fact, I figured that someone would get around to doing this eventually.

[Lord Dynel]

Treebore wrote:
Neither Necro or Paizo are in the habit of putting out crap, and I seriously doubt that they'll start now.

Well, Necro hasn't supported crap in the past, either, but that is debatable now.
We'll see how they do with supporting both 4e and Pathfinder. And if they can prove to me they can support 4e and put out good PF goodies, I might give them more of my money. Right now, the jury's still out.
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[Treebore]

Lord Dynel wrote:
Well, Necro hasn't supported crap in the past, either, but that is debatable now.
We'll see how they do with supporting both 4e and Pathfinder. And if they can prove to me they can support 4e and put out good PF goodies, I might give them more of my money. Right now, the jury's still out.

Bill is running the Pathfinder side of things and Clark is running the 4E side of things. Its going to be good.
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[Lord Dynel]

Treebore wrote:
Bill is running the Pathfinder side of things and Clark is running the 4E side of things. Its going to be good.

I have every hope that it will be but, and no offense Tree, seeing is believing. When we get some PF offerings from Necro, then I'll know. Call it my own paranoia, but I refuse to assume.
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[Omote]

Lord Dynel wrote:
Well, Necro hasn't supported crap in the past, either, but that is debatable now.

Spot on and my thoughts precisely. Look I love Necro, but the past is the past. We'll have to see just how good these new products are. I have some faith, but until we see them there is no guarentee.

-O
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[DangerDwarf]

I dunno, I just don't understand the whole, I don't like the rules so the products will probably suck too, line of thinking.

I think 3e blows but I own a fair share of quality work done in that system. NG has always put out quality products, why let a bias towards a particular system make you think that would change?

Especially if your preferred system is C&C. As Tree pointed out, like everything else, 4e is pretty damn compatible with C&C.

[Lord Dynel]

DangerDwarf wrote:
I dunno, I just don't understand the whole, I don't like the rules so the products will probably suck too, line of thinking.

I think 3e blows but I own a fair share of quality work done in that system. NG has always put out quality products, why let a bias towards a particular system make you think that would change?

Especially if your preferred system is C&C. As Tree pointed out, like everything else, 4e is pretty damn compatible with C&C.

It's not so much that DD, as it is of how much attention and effort are they going to put into PF now that they have Clark's wet dream to worry about now.
NG has always put out quality stuff, very true, but they've never tried to put out PF and 4e stuff before - no matter who's handling what side of things - and like Omote said, the past is past.

So I want them to put out some good stuff - be it PF or 4e or whatever! But I'd rather wait to see what they offer before I just assume that it'll be good stuff, that's all.
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[Omote]

DangerDwarf wrote:
I dunno, I just don't understand the whole, I don't like the rules so the products will probably suck too, line of thinking.

Many of us have been waiting for YEARS for certain Necromancer Games products to be released. In my case I have been waiting for a product called Slumbering Tsar. At one point Necro even said that the first book in the series was "on the boat" and going to be in stores in a few months... that was 3 years ago. Anywho, all false statements aside, we know for a fact that 3 books worth of material has been written (and I beleive fully edited and waiting for production) in the Slumbering Tsar series. If that material is put out for 4E and has to be sliced apart, dumbed down, and rearranged just to support 4E mechanics, well then, you have yourself a potential crap product. I have never really played through a 4E module thus far, but from every indication, not a single 4E module up until this point has been said to be at least good. People who have purchased 4E modules to use in other games so far have all said they are really not of much use to other games, and truth be told, even 4E players/GMs seem to not like many of these 4E mods. The potential for killing good material by making it for the 4E game is what really makes me just sit back and say, we'll see what we'll see from Necro.

-O
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[DangerDwarf]

See Omote, now that makes sense to me.

Omote wrote:
I have never really played through a 4E module thus far, but from every indication, not a single 4E module up until this point has been said to be at least good. People who have purchased 4E modules to use in other games so far have all said they are really not of much use to other games, and truth be told, even 4E players/GMs seem to not like many of these 4E mods.

The 4e DCC's are sweet. The WotC modules are luke-warm.

[Omote]

Oh, and i was completely referring to the WOTC 4E modules. I have not seen or heard much from the DCC 4e mods. Just to be clear,

-O
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[Treebore]

Yeah, I agree with the opinions about WOTC modules, and DD is right about the Goodman DCC's, I have absolutely fallen in love with Punjar! If your ever doing nothing on a Friday night look to see if I am running my Punjar one shot to find out. Plus the other DCC's are typical of Goodman, they just have that extra feel to them that make them superior to WOTC every time.

I wasn't planning on buying 4E modules, but Goodman has proven they can be worth getting. So I am sure that Necromancer will put out good Pathfinder and 4E products.

Maybe they'll Finally get Sword of Air out as well.
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[Julian Grimm]

My hope was that Necro would actually give C&C a shot. Bill's stuff for the Crusader hinted at what could be done for C&C and it was awesome. However, Clark does seem to have a hard one for WOTC. With a now limited gaming budget I can only afford to get what will be useful to me. Which is C&C first, FR material as a close second and everything else third.
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[DangerDwarf]

Julian Grimm wrote:
With a now limited gaming budget I can only afford to get what will be useful to me. Which is C&C first, FR material as a close second and everything else third.

I feel ya there JG. I changed up my buying habits recently as well.

[Julian Grimm]

DangerDwarf wrote:
I feel ya there JG. I changed up my buying habits recently as well.

The plus side is I get to really dig into what I have. The downside is I only see two maybe three purchases this year. The CKG, Lost Empires of Faerun (If I can find one cheap) and C&C Basic if it comes out. The rest depends on how my situation goes.

Of course there is the trading market.
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