Pathfinder Preview #1 is up

Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Wed May 13, 2009 8:52 pm

http://paizo.com/paizo/blog

They have a nice ToC PDF to DL ,and a page sample of their icon race art for Pathfinder.

They will be putting up preview stuff each week for the next 14 weeks.
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yell0w_lantern · Post by **yell0w_lantern** » Wed May 13, 2009 9:25 pm

IDK, half-elves, gnomes, elves and halflings just look so similar anymore.

MacLeod · Post by **MacLeod** » Thu May 14, 2009 12:51 am

Almost 600 pages long? What a monster. @_@
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Omote · Post by **Omote** » Thu May 14, 2009 12:54 am

MacLeod wrote:
Almost 600 pages long? What a monster. @_@

Very phonebook-like.

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ssfsx17 · Post by **ssfsx17** » Thu May 14, 2009 2:27 am

Well, at least they have the decency to try to give as much up-front as possible, rather than saving things for later books with titles such as "The Complete Nonsense"

Frost · Post by **Frost** » Thu May 14, 2009 2:32 am

The page count is daunting, but I believe it's sort of a combined PH and DMG. So, in that sense, it's not too bad. Granted, it's pretty drastic when compared to C&C, but not so much if you compare it to 3.5.
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Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Thu May 14, 2009 3:19 am

Frost wrote:
The page count is daunting, but I believe it's sort of a combined PH and DMG. So, in that sense, it's not too bad. Granted, it's pretty drastic when compared to C&C, but not so much if you compare it to 3.5.

Almost 600 pages, full color treatment, lots of new art, for $50.00 full retail, plus if you pre-order you get the PDF too. (This offer has not been put up yet.) I'll be getting it.

Yes, it is combined PH and DMG, only monsters are not covered in it. That is a separate book.

Plus it will be offered on Amazon, eventually.
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MacLeod · Post by **MacLeod** » Thu May 14, 2009 3:51 am

I always felt that the DMG was useless anyways. While it contained some useful things (magic items for instance) it was mostly junk stuff.

I wish Paizo would learn from TLG... include treasure in the bestiary books. I feel that treasure should be a GM-only thing. Perhaps I am alone in this?
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Maliki · Post by **Maliki** » Thu May 14, 2009 12:54 pm

MacLeod wrote:
I always felt that the DMG was useless anyways. While it contained some useful things (magic items for instance) it was mostly junk stuff.

I wish Paizo would learn from TLG... include treasure in the bestiary books. I feel that treasure should be a GM-only thing. Perhaps I am alone in this?

I agree having the monsters and treasures together is a good thing.
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Lord Dynel · Post by **Lord Dynel** » Thu May 14, 2009 11:56 pm

ssfsx17 wrote:
Well, at least they have the decency to try to give as much up-front as possible, rather than saving things for later books with titles such as "The Complete Nonsense"

Agreed. There's more than a few things Paizo is learning what not to do from WotC.
I'm pretty anxious for this.
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DangerDwarf · Post by **DangerDwarf** » Fri May 15, 2009 12:00 am

They may not be doing "complete" books but they have a COMPLETELY insane line of books. They are publishing a book about everything, including the kitchen sink.

If I wanted to break into Golarion now I need a much, much bigger gaming budget.

Lord Dynel · Post by **Lord Dynel** » Fri May 15, 2009 12:02 am

About time they started to get a decent library of books, if you ask me. Thier quality is so good, the more the better, IMHO.
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serleran · Post by **serleran** » Fri May 15, 2009 12:04 am

Same d20 art style really sucks away most of what little interest for me, but oh well. Maybe the preview won't be useless.
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SoulCatcher78 · Post by **SoulCatcher78** » Fri May 15, 2009 12:39 am

Looks good but I dunno about wading through 600 pages just to see if I like it. Maybe on sale (sometime in 2015, lol) unless Amazon gets a good discount after release.

It's tempting though (I for one am partial to their art department).

DangerDwarf · Post by **DangerDwarf** » Fri May 15, 2009 12:44 am

Lord Dynel wrote:
About time they started to get a decent library of books, if you ask me. Thier quality is so good, the more the better, IMHO.

LD supporting corporate greed?

Lord Dynel · Post by **Lord Dynel** » Fri May 15, 2009 1:13 am

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LD supporting corporate greed?

I don't know. I figure if the quality is there (as often is with Paizo) then the quantity is fine with me.

Now, let's say you had a book about...uh, I dunno...dragons. And you published it once all fine and dandy with no problems. Then you reprint that book for some reason. Say, maybe a new edition. But this time, you decide to "break it up" for "better coverage" of the dragons, when really all it is an obvious attempt to take one book and make it two. Now that's corporate greed.
Paizo could have easily have done a GM book, but decided to combine both, saving the consumer easily $10 (assuming a $30 players and a $30 GM book).

Have you looked at a lot of their stuff, DD? It really is very well done. I can take a flood of product to the market, if it's as good as Paizo's.

YMMV, however.
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DangerDwarf · Post by **DangerDwarf** » Fri May 15, 2009 1:44 am

I was a charter PF subscriber and a GM subscriber for some time. No doubt as to paizo doing good stuff but I think they are overly flooding the works, especially considering they have yet to actually put out their main product yet but you can buy countless books for the setting already and a high percentage of them are in the 30-60 page range. Many of them they could have EASILY combined into a single (and overall cheaper) product, but they did not.

I like Paizo. But, I think they are following the same gluttonous path of WotC in that regard. I cancelled my subscriptions because it was getting to expensive to keep up with if I still planned on getting other games.

serleran · Post by **serleran** » Fri May 15, 2009 1:49 am

Maybe they were doing "capital building." I hope to do something like that with ACE. Only, more staggered because I have little time to write.
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DangerDwarf · Post by **DangerDwarf** » Fri May 15, 2009 1:58 am

That is a posibility Serl, and even understandasble but I still think it is overboard to a degree.

There are already over 20 products bearing the PF logo (not counting the AP's). When a new guuy gets the shiny new PF book he will be assaulted immediately by more products than he knows what to do with or even where to start on future purchases. Not the best of plans I think.

moriarty777 · Post by **moriarty777** » Fri May 15, 2009 2:00 am

Treebore wrote:
Almost 600 pages, full color treatment, lots of new art, for $50.00 full retail, plus if you pre-order you get the PDF too. (This offer has not been put up yet.) I'll be getting it.

Yes, it is combined PH and DMG, only monsters are not covered in it. That is a separate book.

Plus it will be offered on Amazon, eventually.

It already is. At least Amazon.CA -- they are taking pre-orders and at a significant discount (37% off)

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Plaag · Post by **Plaag** » Fri May 15, 2009 6:51 am

Pathfinder is but a $30 monthly investment for me, that is without the Chronicles since those I buy them from Amazon when the combined total is over $25. If you are not a collector, then it would probably be best to take the Golarion setting in small chunks depending on where you intend to run campaigns. I'm envisioning the girth of material in a similar way Forgotten Realms was released. Back in its day FR kept coming out with mre and more stuff set within the world.

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Lord Dynel · Post by **Lord Dynel** » Sat May 16, 2009 1:10 am

Plaag wrote:
I'm envisioning the girth of material in a similar way Forgotten Realms was released. Back in its day FR kept coming out with mre and more stuff set within the world.

That's how I look at it Shane. It's like the FR stuff in the mass quantity they released it, but all at the circa 1987-88 quality.

But I'm not saying it isn't a lot. It is. But I'd rather see a lot of quality stuff than a lot of subpar stuff released, IMHO.
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papercut · Post by **papercut** » Sat May 16, 2009 1:18 pm

Well, their world is wide and varied with lots of potential styles of gameplay available. If one wanted to get it all it would be a big investment. But I would love to have a book on the country of Geb(d?) and I assume each GM/player has their own druthers as well.

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