Goodman to publish old DCC line with 1E rules and under....

gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:11 am

DangerDwarf wrote:
the activity of providing goods and services involving financial and commercial and industrial aspects

There ya go.

And thats a nice definition of a business, but that's not the definition of practical.
Level-headed, efficient, and unspeculative.

Course, myself, I am the very definition of impractical. I'm working in a niche of a niche of a niche of the art industry where I could be making loads of money elsewhere. But I don't pretend to be anything but impractical.
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qstor · Post by **qstor** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:20 am

I just ordered one.
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DangerDwarf · Post by **DangerDwarf** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:28 am

I spent up my gaming budget for the month already. Funny enough,most of it was on extra copies of AD&D stuff. Heh.

Definitely going to pick the first one up next month.

Best thing to me, is as far as I can see there's no annoying "1e" written on the cover.

serleran · Post by **serleran** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:31 am

People have gaming budgets? I need to get one of those.
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DangerDwarf · Post by **DangerDwarf** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:33 am

I've read about what you order. I'll trade ya budgets Serl.

thedungeondelver · Post by **thedungeondelver** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:20 am

gideon_thorne wrote:
As someone mentioned earlier, why would anyone want to pay near twice as much for something they've already got?

yeah, why would anyone buy RJK's Maure Castle themed copies of DUNGEON when they already have mordenkainens fantastic adventure

oh wait whoops

thedungeondelver · Post by **thedungeondelver** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:22 am

gideon_thorne wrote:
*chuckles* Might look up the definition of the word, squire.

Working a day job and fiddling around with the speculative is the very definition of impractical.

yeah man, it's so impractical to be a shoe repairman or insurance adjuster and then come home at night and work on an rpg

oh shit, whoops again

thedungeondelver · Post by **thedungeondelver** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:23 am

gideon_thorne wrote:
I'm working in a niche of a niche of a niche of the art industry where I could be making loads of money elsewhere.

list those places or they don't exist, monkey boy

gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:28 am

thedungeondelver wrote:
yeah man, it's so impractical to be a shoe repairman or insurance adjuster and then come home at night and work on an rpg

oh shit, whoops again

It is, cause folks need to sleep at night.
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gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:30 am

thedungeondelver wrote:
list those places or they don't exist, monkey boy

The erotic industry, the wider novel publishing industry, licensing art for movies and film, hallmark cards, the Franklin mint.

Now are you going to indulge in any more feeble trolling or do you want go go away now?
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gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:31 am

thedungeondelver wrote:
yeah, why would anyone buy RJK's Maure Castle themed copies of DUNGEON when they already have mordenkainens fantastic adventure

oh wait whoops

Cause not everyone has Mordenkainen's Fantastic Adventure. And there's a whole bunch of gamers out there who've hardly ever used a module in their games, some, not at all.
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Julian Grimm · Post by **Julian Grimm** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:35 am

"AD&D is as dead a system as Latin is a language..." -Gary Gygax Drangonsfoot Message Board
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DangerDwarf · Post by **DangerDwarf** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:36 am

Alia Iacta Est

thedungeondelver · Post by **thedungeondelver** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:43 am

gideon_thorne wrote:
It is, cause folks need to sleep at night.

vreeeeeeeeeeeeeeOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

that was the irony, the clue, the POOOOOOINT blowing past you, peter. and a crumpled up 4e drawing blowing in the contrail behind it

gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:47 am

thedungeondelver wrote:
vreeeeeeeeeeeeeeOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

that was the irony, the clue, the POOOOOOINT blowing past you, peter. and a crumpled up 4e drawing blowing in the contrail behind it

That last comment indicates there is no point to these posts. Just more trolling.
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Julian Grimm · Post by **Julian Grimm** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:48 am

Quote:
vreeeeeeeeeeeeeeOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

that was the irony, the clue, the POOOOOOINT blowing past you, peter. and a crumpled up 4e drawing blowing in the contrail behind it

Well, this conversation really makes me want to buy one.
I think I am going to play some 3e for awhile.
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sieg · Post by **sieg** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:08 am

Ah, Peter...you're always good for a laugh!
What's the point of arguing terminology here? The 1E "system" (for lack of a better term) is in print. Its not called "AD&D", but then AFAIK BB isn't putting AD&D on their modules.

So, I'm off to buy some of these mods....
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gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:17 am

sieg wrote:
Ah, Peter...you're always good for a laugh!
What's the point of arguing terminology here? The 1E "system" (for lack of a better term) is in print. Its not called "AD&D", but then AFAIK BB isn't putting AD&D on their modules.

So, I'm off to buy some of these mods....
Mike

Glad someone saw the wittery.
The point, though, is about being concise. I maintain that producing something for a system that is for all practical purposes out of print is not a wise venture if profit is the goal. So far, no one seems to be able to refute that. Its just piles of sophistry.

I also maintain that, in order to reach new markets, a new look is in order. But see above on the sophistry bit.

As I said, AD&D is not in print. Hell, Michelangelo isn't producing any new art either. I could emulate his work if I chose, but I still wouldn't be Michelangelo. Nor would I have the tackiness to try.
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Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:32 am

My wife and I did a business outside of our work for about 8 years. It made us good money and also gave us some great assets for our children to inherit. IF we wanted, we could have gone full time, but with my health issues, we wanted to keep her state insurance on top of my VA benefits, because the VA hospital in Charleston, SC SUXX BUTT!!

We could go back to it now, but my wife's Army disability not only has her in bed the vast majority of every day, but has also given her the shakes bad enough to longer do the detailed carving she did as part of our gem and jewelry business. Still, she has two historically famous people who wore, or still wear, her work. One was Senator Strom Thurmond, and the other is Clive Cussler.

So some "hobbies" can definitely turn into a nice paying gig.

Now are the OSRIC guys? Not sure. I think the Brownings still have "real" jobs on top of running Expeditious Retreat Press. Plus they are also selling 4E stuff too.

Plus I believe only one of the Trolls, maybe two (if we include Mark), have given up their day jobs because TLG has made enough money for him to do so. I bet he only did it because he has good insurance through his wife's job, though.
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gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:35 am

Art is my full time gig. Took me a while to get there. But then again, as I said, I went into a niche of a niche. I am also impractical.
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Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:37 am

gideon_thorne wrote:
Art is my full time gig. Took me a while to get there. But then again, as I said, I went into a niche of a niche. I am also impractical.

I knew that, but I also believe you are NOT full time because of TLG, but because of all the avenues you follow. Am I wrong in thinking that?
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gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:42 am

Treebore wrote:
I knew that, but I also believe you are NOT full time because of TLG, but because of all the avenues you follow. Am I wrong in thinking that?

It varies. But then again I don't push hard for money. Hence the impractical bit. TLG is the most stable venue though. The rest involves local t-shirt designs for the Mixed Martial Arts stuff, and various private commissions, local conventions, and the like.

Trouble is, I get bored easily. I'm more in it for the challenge.
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serleran · Post by **serleran** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:49 am

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and various private commissions

Still waiting, bub.
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Sir Ironside · Post by **Sir Ironside** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 5:58 am

gideon_thorne wrote:
The definition of a dead system. Something not being currently published or produced. And one day, ebay is going to run out, the old books will fall apart and new players wont be introduced.

Your just a bundle of joy around here, aren't you.

gideon_thorne wrote:
Cause not everyone has Mordenkainen's Fantastic Adventure. And there's a whole bunch of gamers out there who've hardly ever used a module in their games, some, not at all.

Yep, your looking at one. Though that may change as you get older your time becomes more precious, so I don't have the same amount of time to put into my own adventures as I used to.

gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 6:14 am

Sir Ironside wrote:
Your just a bundle of joy around here, aren't you.

Yep, your looking at one. Though that may change as you get older your time becomes more precious, so I don't have the same amount of time to put into my own adventures as I used to.

*wry grin* I just accept reality. And don't take myself, the hobby, or much of anything seriously.

I just like to debate is all.
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Kayolan · Post by **Kayolan** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:02 pm

gideon_thorne wrote:
I just like to debate is all.

sorry can't help it Peter.

I'm going to purchase a copy of OSRIC. I want to keep my old books in good condition.

DangerDwarf · Post by **DangerDwarf** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:22 pm

Also, for the folks involved...

Any original works planned for possible release as well? Or just DCC's?

SirClarence · Post by **SirClarence** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:27 pm

Only DCCs so far. But who knows what the future might bring?

grodog · Post by **grodog** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:02 pm

SirClarence wrote:
Only DCCs so far. But who knows what the future might bring?

The future will very likely bring original works as well. Time will tell whether they are practical-yet-improfitable original works, derivative original works, impractical-yet-not-quite derivative original works, or potentially-profitable-yet-hobby-ish-(hobbit-ish?)-and-practically-improbable original works.

I think
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gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 4:12 pm

Kayolan wrote:
sorry can't help it Peter.

I'm going to purchase a copy of OSRIC. I want to keep my old books in good condition.

*wry smile* A while back, some girl ended up lifting my work off my website, scrubbed my signature off my picture, put hers in its place, and then claimed these were 'redraws' of my work. She ended up selling prints.

I don't see the creation of the above system as any different, subjective loopholes in game mechanic design notwithstanding.

I've already explained my other reasoning in other threads.

But other folks can do what they wish I guess?
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