Avoiding CKG Errata before it happens...

moriarty777 · Post by **moriarty777** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 7:48 pm

Last night I was having a pleasant conversation in Society chat when I was also checking out some of the pics from the recent Troll Con. For those who haven't seen those pics, there are a few snapshots of pages from the upcoming CKG. When I was checking out 'Chapter 2: Classes', I noticed an error in one of the fighter abilities that conflict with the revised Combat Dominance ability as presented in the 4th print PHB and the 'Ir-rada' file.

The fourth level Combat Dominance ability was recently changed to encompass all 1 HD opponents. However the CKG extract states that at 14th level, this ability 'now' extends to all 1 HD creatures. Basically, as it is written right now, the CKG's Combat Dominance does not take into account the recent revision to that ability in the new PHB.

Just a heads up so that this can be slightly re-written and corrected before this tome sees print.

M
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gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Sat Jul 18, 2009 8:20 pm

moriarty777 wrote:
Last night I was having a pleasant conversation in Society chat when I was also checking out some of the pics from the recent Troll Con. For those who haven't seen those pics, there are a few snapshots of pages from the upcoming CKG. When I was checking out 'Chapter 2: Classes', I noticed an error in one of the fighter abilities that conflict with the revised Combat Dominance ability as presented in the 4th print PHB and the 'Ir-rada' file.

The fourth level Combat Dominance ability was recently changed to encompass all 1 HD opponents. However the CKG extract states that at 14th level, this ability 'now' extends to all 1 HD creatures. Basically, as it is written right now, the CKG's Combat Dominance does not take into account the recent revision to that ability in the new PHB.

Just a heads up so that this can be slightly re-written and corrected before this tome sees print.

M

Already way ahead of ya. I've already got that on a list to point out to Steve next week.
It should be noted that what was seen at Troll Kon is an unedited document.
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Lord Dynel · Post by **Lord Dynel** » Sun Jul 19, 2009 12:36 am

Glad to hear these things are being addressed!
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moriarty777 · Post by **moriarty777** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 1:46 am

gideon_thorne wrote:
Already way ahead of ya. I've already got that on a list to point out to Steve next week.
It should be noted that what was seen at Troll Kon is an unedited document.

I figured it wasn't a final version but just wanted to be sure just the same!
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Lord Dynel · Post by **Lord Dynel** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 6:08 pm

moriarty777 wrote:
I figured it wasn't a final version but just wanted to be sure just the same!
M

There's nothing wrong with being a little cautious, mort!
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gideon_thorne · Post by **gideon_thorne** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 6:24 pm

Well, we have to leave some in there. Otherwise everyone wouldn't have anything to talk about.
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Lord Dynel · Post by **Lord Dynel** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 6:25 pm

gideon_thorne wrote:
Well, we have to leave some in there. Otherwise everyone wouldn't have anything to talk about.

Heh...that's true.
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Troll Lord · Post by **Troll Lord** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:16 pm

Management (me) actually has contracts with our Union (headed up by me) that require we have at least 3 mistakes per page per book on the first printing.

What you are looking at is raw, raw raw text. So no worries on that. We are going to work very hard to make sure that there is as little problems with the ms as possible.

Thanks!

Steve
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Lord Dynel · Post by **Lord Dynel** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 8:33 pm

Troll Lord wrote:
Management (me) actually has contracts with our Union (headed up by me) that require we have at least 3 mistakes per page per book on the first printing.

What you are looking at is raw, raw raw text. So no worries on that. We are going to work very hard to make sure that there is as little problems with the ms as possible.

Thanks!

Steve

Good to hear, sir!
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serleran · Post by **serleran** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 8:55 pm

It should become mandatory that every Troll Lord Games product contains a final page that is simply expurgated text drawn directly from the original, but randomly. For example, I might have text drawn from pages 6, 9, 15, 24, 100, and 108 -- not done to make sense, but just to cause confusion, especially when someone considers it "official." With software, this should be relatively easy to accomplish and makes every single print of the book (within the run and universally) unique. It would also be fun.
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Post by **finarvyn** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 11:47 pm

I'm a teacher and I tell my students that they can tell how old a handout might be based on the number of typos. If it has a couple of typos, it's fairly new. No typos means it's a few years old.

TLG may be following my lead on this issue....
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Bowbe · Post by **Bowbe** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:17 am

Troll Lord wrote:
Management (me) actually has contracts with our Union (headed up by me) that require we have at least 3 mistakes per page per book on the first printing.

What you are looking at is raw, raw raw text. So no worries on that. We are going to work very hard to make sure that there is as little problems with the ms as possible.

Thanks!

Steve

Labor (Being partly me) will be curing the raw text into more digestable gibbets as soon as the Union and the Management get done ironing out the various contract negotiations.

C.

MattyHelms · Post by **MattyHelms** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:02 am

Has TLG ever considered releasing products as PDFs a few months before going to press? That way, some mistakes can be caught (and PDFs subsequently updated) before the physical copies are printed.

tylermo · Post by **tylermo** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:30 pm

Not sure about the idea to release as a pdf "before" release. I see where you're coming from, but that might affect sales of the actual print product. On the topic of when to release pdf versions of books...I would like to see TLG release pdf versions of the print books 2 weeks to a month after the release of hard or softcovers.

Troll Lord · Post by **Troll Lord** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:29 pm

serleran wrote:
It should become mandatory that every Troll Lord Games product contains a final page that is simply expurgated text drawn directly from the original, but randomly. For example, I might have text drawn from pages 6, 9, 15, 24, 100, and 108 -- not done to make sense, but just to cause confusion, especially when someone considers it "official." With software, this should be relatively easy to accomplish and makes every single print of the book (within the run and universally) unique. It would also be fun.

LOL

That's the spirit!!!

Steve
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Troll Lord · Post by **Troll Lord** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:30 pm

finarvyn wrote:
I'm a teacher and I tell my students that they can tell how old a handout might be based on the number of typos. If it has a couple of typos, it's fairly new. No typos means it's a few years old.

TLG may be following my lead on this issue....

Hey sounds good to me!!
Steve
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Troll Lord · Post by **Troll Lord** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:32 pm

MattyHelms wrote:
Has TLG ever considered releasing products as PDFs a few months before going to press? That way, some mistakes can be caught (and PDFs subsequently updated) before the physical copies are printed.

Yeah, but the potential sales damage from the retailer end isn't something I am willing to risk. We are going to try a new process with the CKG, launched here very soon actually. We'll hope and see if it works.

Steve
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tylermo · Post by **tylermo** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 2:28 pm

I'll spend most of the day thinking about this new process. Well, maybe not the entire day.

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