Is Davis right?

Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Sat Mar 06, 2010 9:21 pm

Do we identify best with Iconic figures? Is that why so many similarities exist among so many Iconic characters in literature?

I'm not sure, I haven't thought about it long enough, yet. Right now I think he is probably correct.
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JediOre · Post by **JediOre** » Sat Mar 06, 2010 9:59 pm

Treebore,

What are you referencing?

concobar · Post by **concobar** » Sat Mar 06, 2010 10:45 pm

Treebore wrote:
Do we identify best with Iconic figures? Is that why so many similarities exist among so many Iconic characters in literature?

yes

davis is right
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Omote · Post by **Omote** » Sat Mar 06, 2010 11:42 pm

Should Treebore's question even be asked? OF COURSE DAVIS IS RIGHT!
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Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 12:09 am

JediOre wrote:
Treebore,

What are you referencing?

You obviously do not follow the TLG you tube videos.
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JediOre · Post by **JediOre** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 1:27 am

Treebore wrote:
You obviously do not follow the TLG you tube videos.

Guilty as charged. I haven't been doing much on the boards or anything game related for almost six months now. My Masters program is absorbing all my life these days.

dutch206 · Post by **dutch206** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 1:37 am

Google "Joseph Campbell" for the answer to this question.
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AGNKim · Post by **AGNKim** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:00 am

When in doubt, agree that Davis is right. You may not be correct, but you'll have a lot more fun.
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Secret Skeleton · Post by **Secret Skeleton** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 10:26 am

Well, there are heroes defined in literature that have become iconic figures. Gilgamesh, Beowulf, and Yoshitsune are three very similar heroes from literature as old as it really gets.

Later heroes like Don Juan from Lord Byron, began the concept of an anti-hero.

Pulp heroes, Conan, Solomon Kane, Bran Mac Morn, Kull, Fafhrd, Gray Mouser, Flash Gordon, d**k Clark, etc gave us yet another type of hero.

So as long as John Cusack (Questing Hero), Vin Diesel (Anti-hero) and Bruce Willis (Pulp Hero) keep getting type-cast, we should have plenty of recurring inspiration.

I should add a fourth type, Shallow Plot Device Hero (Drizzt, Wolverine, that dude from the new Terminator film) but I have too much respect for the other three types I mentioned to lot them together.

Sundog · Post by **Sundog** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 4:52 pm

Treebore wrote:
Do we identify best with Iconic figures? Is that why so many similarities exist among so many Iconic characters in literature?

I'm not sure, I haven't thought about it long enough, yet. Right now I think he is probably correct.

I don't. In fact, I find it somewhat irritating when I recognise Character X from some other place and time. Campbell points out how astonishingly unoriginal most old literature is, and instead of driving us to greater creativity, we use it as an excuse not to bother ourselves. Instead of creating new stories, and characters that might bear a resemblance to, gasp, people, we just regurgitate the same old dross and call it a Profound Insight into the Human Condition.

Sod that.

concobar · Post by **concobar** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:13 pm

People have tried to come up with new non iconic characters and have failed to appeal to the masses.

When I think Barbarian I think Conan, Vercingetorix, or Brennus

Knights would be William Marshal or any of the knights of the round table

Wizards are Merlin, Gandalf, or Morgan LeFay

Thief would be they Grey Mouser or Philip the mouse or Subatai

Cleric would be any of the knights Hospitilar

Paladin would be any of the Knights Templar

ect ect

These types of characters appeal to the masses and that is why they are important.
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Orpheus · Post by **Orpheus** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:21 pm

I think that different types of characters appeal to different people at different points in their lives. After you get tired of Sir Goody Twoshoes, you might want to watch Elric kill those whom he loves.

Post by **Breakdaddy** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 7:00 pm

Secret Skeleton wrote:
Well, there are heroes defined in literature that have become iconic figures. Gilgamesh, Beowulf, and Yoshitsune are three very similar heroes from literature as old as it really gets.

Later heroes like Don Juan from Lord Byron, began the concept of an anti-hero.

Pulp heroes, Conan, Solomon Kane, Bran Mac Morn, Kull, Fafhrd, Gray Mouser, Flash Gordon, d**k Clark, etc gave us yet another type of hero.

So as long as John Cusack (Questing Hero), Vin Diesel (Anti-hero) and Bruce Willis (Pulp Hero) keep getting type-cast, we should have plenty of recurring inspiration.

I should add a fourth type, Shallow Plot Device Hero (Drizzt, Wolverine, that dude from the new Terminator film) but I have too much respect for the other three types I mentioned to lot them together.

"that dude from the new terminator film"??? I hope you arent talking about the awesome Christian Bale as if he is just some random choad. He is batman for pete's sake. He is also a Cleric of the Tetragrammaton, 1st class.

AGNKim · Post by **AGNKim** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 7:02 pm

Breakdaddy wrote:
"that dude from the new terminator film"??? I hope you arent talking about the awesome Christian Bale as if he is just some random choad. He is batman for pete's sake. He is also a Cleric of the Tetragrammaton, 1st class.

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Secret Skeleton · Post by **Secret Skeleton** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 7:09 pm

No, I was talking about the other guy from that movie, the one who has the real main character because John Connor got ripped off. I do think Christian Bale phoned in his performance in that film, though.

You can put me in the Christian Bale is not good category.

concobar · Post by **concobar** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 7:30 pm

Secret Skeleton wrote:
No, I was talking about the other guy from that movie, the one who has the real main character because John Connor got ripped off. I do think Christian Bale phoned in his performance in that film, though.

You can put me in the Christian Bale is not good category.

He growled way too much in batman.
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Orpheus · Post by **Orpheus** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 7:40 pm

concobar wrote:
He growled way too much in batman.

Yeah, I thought that too. However, I think that the point was to make sure that no one recognized his voice as that of Bruce Wayne.

Of course, with all of that cash and high tech gadgetry I'm sure that Lucius could've come up with a voice modulator for him.

Post by **Breakdaddy** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 7:51 pm

You are all WRONG.

What?

Secret Skeleton · Post by **Secret Skeleton** » Sun Mar 07, 2010 10:12 pm

Yeah, The Dark Knight was a well-written psychological crime drama which happened to have an out-of-place person dressed as a vinyl bat.

Between Gary Oldman and Michael Cain, Bale got lost in the shuffle and ended up being a fifth wheel to the whole story. It was a good movie, but it was not very "Batman."

Batman Begins, however, was good. Bale did a good job there. I felt his performance in the sequel was pretty bad, though. And there was nothing good about Terminator Salvation.

What happened to the Christian Bale of The Prestige or American Psycho? I think it was more fame. I would work less hard too were I considered a top-class leading man. Half of your audience is there to faun over you anyway.

Omote · Post by **Omote** » Mon Mar 08, 2010 12:23 am

American Psycho for all teh wins.

There are no more barriers to cross. All I have in common with the uncontrollable and the insane, the vicious and the evil, all the mayhem I have caused and my utter indifference toward it, I have now surpassed. My pain is constant and sharp and I do not hope for a better world for anyone; in fact, I want my pain to be inflicted on others. I want no one to escape, but even after admitting this there is no catharsis, my punishment continues to elude me and I gain no deeper knowledge of myself; no new knowledge can be extracted from my telling. This confession has meant nothing.

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Secret Skeleton · Post by **Secret Skeleton** » Mon Mar 08, 2010 5:33 pm

I just watched Live Free or Die Hard. Man, that was entertaining but hilarious. I kept expecting the hacker kid to go, "Oh no, they've hacked all the dogs in Baltimore! Run!"

serleran · Post by **serleran** » Mon Mar 08, 2010 7:48 pm

Obviously people recognize the traits in icons that make them icons, and it gives them something to consider "real" about these imaginary beings, a way to think they could possibly be like them... but, that doesn't mean iconic is the only option. It is the easiest one. But, then, everything is an icon at this point.
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Stainless · Post by **Stainless** » Thu Mar 11, 2010 9:54 pm

dutch206 wrote:
Google "Joseph Campbell" for the answer to this question.

You beat me to it!
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Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Thu Mar 11, 2010 10:09 pm

I liked Christian Bale in "Reign of Fire".
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