My first LL game.

concobar · Post by **concobar** » Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:51 pm

characters are

F elf thief

M human wizard

F human fighter

M human cleric of the god of time magic and death

M human cleric of discordia

These are all 30+ yr old professionals.

I began the game with the following narration,

"After many long and weary days of travel along the kings road you find yourself only one more night away from your distination, the small town of Holly which is said to be a boom town for adventurers exploring the newly discovered tower and dungeon ruins of the ancient wizard Thealonus. Having finished the evening meal you find your self sitting around a fire with some of your fellow travelers. You take this time to introduce yourself to one another."

Ok, so at this time the players begin explaining their goals and who they are in order until we get to the cleric of time. when it is his turn the player just turns his back towards the rest of the group and says nothing.

WTF?
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Treebore · Post by **Treebore** » Tue Mar 09, 2010 7:04 pm

I guess he doesn't have the time to talk to others?
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Deogolf · Post by **Deogolf** » Tue Mar 09, 2010 7:27 pm

He must be the shy, quiet type?!
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Lord Dynel · Post by **Lord Dynel** » Tue Mar 09, 2010 8:07 pm

I wouldn't mind too much if someone played a recluse, as long as they contributed in other ways. If the guy sits there like a bump on a log and says, "hey, I'm role playing," then he may need some instruction on role playing. If there's a concept, a method to his madness, then I'd say give it some time to see where he goes. Don't stifle him, if he's doing it for a good reason.
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clavis123 · Post by **clavis123** » Tue Mar 09, 2010 8:35 pm

concobar wrote:
Ok, so at this time the players begin explaining their goals and who they are in order until we get to the cleric of time. when it is his turn the player just turns his back towards the rest of the group and says nothing.

WTF?

Well, you did state he was a Cleric of Discordia. He's just causing discord!
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Post by **Breakdaddy** » Tue Mar 09, 2010 9:27 pm

Sounds weird to me. Is the player touched in the head or otherwise impaired? Is he a Vampire or Werewolf player? Maybe he is just trying to be dark and brooding. If so, beat him unconscious with a phonebook, less bruising.

concobar · Post by **concobar** » Tue Mar 09, 2010 9:47 pm

clavis123 wrote:
Well, you did state he was a Cleric of Discordia. He's just causing discord!

Actually it was the cleric of Thanos God of time magic and death! (sue me already I came up with the god on short notice)

The cleric of discord was all on it until he introduced himself as "the Chaotic" and I informed him that he could get knifed for that and then showed him the pic of Emrikel the chaotic.
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Secret Skeleton · Post by **Secret Skeleton** » Tue Mar 09, 2010 10:12 pm

He is probably a chaotic good drow ranger in disguise.

Steerpike · Post by **Steerpike** » Tue Mar 09, 2010 10:15 pm

Secret Skeleton wrote:
He is probably a chaotic good drow ranger in disguise.

Hmmm. Was there a large cat anywhere near by?
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concobar · Post by **concobar** » Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:53 pm

lol
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anglefish · Post by **anglefish** » Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:56 am

Yep. Sounds like a case of "One big fantasy campaign, five different realities."

I now introduce some overarching tie-in, be it an organization or a business, that ties the group together and gets them to design their PCs as a cohesive whole. Barring that, I help steer them that way.

We may have anti-heroes in my game, but there's no room for anti-social heroes.

concobar · Post by **concobar** » Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:13 am

anglefish wrote:
Yep. Sounds like a case of "One big fantasy campaign, five different realities."

I now introduce some overarching tie-in, be it an organization or a business, that ties the group together and gets them to design their PCs as a cohesive whole. Barring that, I help steer them that way.

We may have anti-heroes in my game, but there's no room for anti-social heroes.

You get it. I was worried it was me.
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Lucifer_Draconus · Post by **Lucifer_Draconus** » Wed Mar 10, 2010 5:52 pm

So what happen after the emo turd turned around ? Did the game explode ? Did he get his act together & play like a grown up or leave , like the emo turd he was ? If the game did go on how did it go?
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serleran · Post by **serleran** » Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:12 pm

Maybe the character is mute. Now, that would certainly be something.
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Buttmonkey · Post by **Buttmonkey** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 6:44 pm

This kind of thing is why I always have a house rule that PCs must be conceptualized so that they can function cooperatively in a party environment.

Frost · Post by **Frost** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 9:18 pm

Buttmonkey wrote:
This kind of thing is why I always have a house rule that PCs must be conceptualized so that they can function cooperatively in a party environment.

Also known as the "Don't be a d**k" rule.
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Secret Skeleton · Post by **Secret Skeleton** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 9:29 pm

I made a player go blind after gaining a prestige class once. If I say there are no dragons, that of course means there are no Dragon Disciples. So Mephistophales gave him his power. Turd.

I even gave another player a Robe of Eyes that would only work for his character just to rub it in. If you played with this munchkin, you would feel no sympathy and agree with my methods. I am typically a fun DM, just do not press me into stupid crap that I do not want to include.

Like his g/f wanted to play a Binder with the Accerrak Vestige...in Greyhawk. I added role-playing problems to that and they got mad and stuff.

Anyhow, what are we talking about?

Post by **Breakdaddy** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 10:24 pm

Secret Skeleton wrote:
I made a player go blind after gaining a prestige class once. If I say there are no dragons, that of course means there are no Dragon Disciples. So Mephistophales gave him his power. Turd.

I even gave another player a Robe of Eyes that would only work for his character just to rub it in. If you played with this munchkin, you would feel no sympathy and agree with my methods. I am typically a fun DM, just do not press me into stupid crap that I do not want to include.

Like his g/f wanted to play a Binder with the Accerrak Vestige...in Greyhawk. I added role-playing problems to that and they got mad and stuff.

Anyhow, what are we talking about?

Why would you play with someone like that in the first place?

Secret Skeleton · Post by **Secret Skeleton** » Sat Mar 13, 2010 10:38 pm

I like having an even number? That's basically it. I have the same salvo of players I draw upon here and there. Surprisingly, that same player does well in C&C. It is about the temptation. If he plays 3.5 he cannot help but want to optimize. If you take away that option, and make it all about character, he prioritizes his off-paper stuff.

He has Asperger's Syndrome, so he's a bit off, but we've all learned to work with him. He has been struck by lightning twice, btw. That is something I like to mention. He was also bit by a rabid racoon.

I also got him drunk for the first time and made a video of him explaining the Spiderman Clone Saga. It was funny.

So, that's why we keep him around...shock value?

concobar · Post by **concobar** » Sun Mar 14, 2010 3:28 am

Game two tomorrow night. we will see.
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anglefish · Post by **anglefish** » Sun Mar 14, 2010 6:13 am

concobar wrote:
You get it. I was worried it was me.

Gracias.

Good luck with game two.

BTW, I thought LL was basic DnD, so how do you have an elf thief?

concobar · Post by **concobar** » Sun Mar 14, 2010 1:43 pm

anglefish wrote:
Gracias.

Good luck with game two.

BTW, I thought LL was basic DnD, so how do you have an elf thief?

Labyrinth Lords advanced edition compendium. Adds a few of ad&d rules and options to LL while keeping to the BECMI feel and mechanics.
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anglefish · Post by **anglefish** » Sun Mar 14, 2010 2:26 pm

IMHO: At this point, it's not too late to fix the damage if you decide to "rewrite" the campaign and introduce an organization or element that gets people on track with slightly altered backgrounds for the PCs.

And DON'T BE SHY, just don't name names, on why your introducing the element. Say "One of the cool reason I've included x is that we all on board with the theme and the teamwork that makes this game cool."

The best elements like this also have built in excuses for why PC vanish when players are absent and where new PC come from who are up to speed on the adventure.

Some examples:

- Crew to a ship

- Explorers' Club

- Merchant Guild

- Merc Company

- "God Squad" (Essentially the Baron/King's trouble shooters with holy support i.e. your usual DnD group with both noble and church sponsorship)

- "Indianian Jones" team ... Snagging artifacts for a museum or scholar's group

etc.

anglefish · Post by **anglefish** » Sun Mar 14, 2010 2:37 pm

Secret Skeleton wrote:
If he plays 3.5 he cannot help but want to optimize.

That was one of the things that killed me in 3.5 was that half my players couldn't resist this temptation. And yet I was the bad guy because I said, "no" after they bought a new book to the table.

My current C&C group, though, has players who are trying to find ways to get their "new stuff" fix.

Some things they've done:

- Brought older editions for suggestions on spell durations

- RPGed to get non-class abilities for extra toys (found God so they could petition for 0-level orisions)

- Dived into local business and economics to build merchant empires (this about drove me nuts. LOL! I'm running an adventure movie, not SimCity.)

- Suggest feats as rules for combat maneuvers.

I've learned two things:

For some, delivering on their requests only leads to more, bigger requests. (It's never enough) While others play with their new toy for a while and then forget about it.

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