Venom for C&C

Ravenstar · Post by **Ravenstar** » Mon May 17, 2010 5:18 pm

Go0gleplex wrote:
Then again, some folks simply get a burr up the a**e for whatever unfathomable reasons and go off in a huff.

Isn't funny how such a simple word like "huff" can convey so much LoL!
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Go0gleplex · Post by **Go0gleplex** » Mon May 17, 2010 5:31 pm

yeah...and it's at that point that any hope of a rational, civilized discussion goes out the window. Sure, you can be passionate about something, but you also need to be charry of the words used and not just their actual meaning, but what may be implied from such as well. When we reach a point that our emotions are running our mouths it's definitely time to stick a sock in things and bow out. Unfortunately that proves harder for some than others.
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Ravenstar · Post by **Ravenstar** » Mon May 17, 2010 5:55 pm

I had a bas experience in my FLGS a while back - I was discussing the merits of C&C with another Customer, when a total stranger jumps in and starts slagging C&C off!

I just walked away, Daniel (the guy I had been talking too) followed and we went and had a beer and finished our conversation!
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Lord Dynel · Post by **Lord Dynel** » Mon May 17, 2010 10:32 pm

I don't mind a dissenting view. I don't mind if people don't like the same stuff I do. My only issue is when I'm looked down upon by the dissenter as being an elitist, a lemming, or an a-hole just because I don't want to hear a their dissenting comments. No one likes to hear someone trash something they like or enjoy, but the reverse-psycology of "how dare you not want to hear me trash your likes" mentality is Grade A bullcrap. Excuse me?

Sorry, just felt like interjecting.
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Go0gleplex · Post by **Go0gleplex** » Mon May 17, 2010 10:56 pm

Self-righteous zealots are always the last to admit that the problem is most likely themselves...or at least that they are creating a bigger issue out of what is at hand simply out of spite. And you're right LD. It is a pile.

Silence is always a better answer than trash talking someone or something out of nothing more than disagreement.
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serleran · Post by **serleran** » Mon May 17, 2010 11:09 pm

Wrong.

What?

Oh, right. I need evidence. Hmm. I just like to bicker.
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Go0gleplex · Post by **Go0gleplex** » Mon May 17, 2010 11:19 pm

[quote="serleran"]Wrong.

What?

Oh, right. I need evidence. Hmm. I just like to bicker.[/quote]

And explode bacon!
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serleran · Post by **serleran** » Mon May 17, 2010 11:35 pm

Anyone who doesn't do that does not deserve to be labeled as human.
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Go0gleplex · Post by **Go0gleplex** » Mon May 17, 2010 11:49 pm

Hmmm...does that mean we get more bang for our ground chuck?
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Sir Osis of Liver · Post by **Sir Osis of Liver** » Tue May 18, 2010 12:47 am

All this is (among a list of reasons) why I avoid those boards. I don't care about 4e or any of the 3.x stuff. I play what I want to play, and if somebody else doesn't like it, get away from my table. Why should your dice (and attitude) get in the way of my party's fun? Is that elitist enough for you?

Lord Dynel · Post by **Lord Dynel** » Tue May 18, 2010 9:35 am

Sir Osis of Liver wrote:
All this is (among a list of reasons) why I avoid those boards. I don't care about 4e or any of the 3.x stuff. I play what I want to play, and if somebody else doesn't like it, get away from my table. Why should your dice (and attitude) get in the way of my party's fun? Is that elitist enough for you?

Hehe. Elitiist? Maybe. That's the ironry of it all. If you play X and I play Y, we're both gamers so what's the deal? If I don't like X then I should, at the very least, keep my mouth shut about my dislike of X. I think that's where a disconnect is. Some people might think it's their duty to tell you why X is subpar and why yo really should be playing Y. And where the ironry comes in is when you rebuke them, that's when they call you an elitist.
I'm right there with ya, boss. I guess I'm an elitist, too.

I'll be honest - there's games I don't like. Ones I think are shit. If there's a conversation about those games and it's a like minded conversation, I might add my two cents. But I try never to do it when it's a conversation that's contrary to my own feelings. And, truthfully, that goes for everything...not just games. It's the shortsightedness of some people who do the opposite that baffle me. As I said before, I don't mind a dissenting view. But presentation is about 99% of it, in my opinion. If you want me to listen to it, don't jam it in my face like I'm an idiot for not agreeing with you right off the bat.
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Ravenstar · Post by **Ravenstar** » Tue May 18, 2010 10:33 am

Lord Dynel wrote:
I'll be honest - there's games I don't like. Ones I think are shit.

Theres the real rub right there - you stated there are games you THINK are shit.

Thats the operative word here "THINK" . . . . .

When I've encountered 3.5 of 4e (not) DnD dissenters their manners are generally incredibly bad and they INSIST every game (other than their RPG of choice) is utterly crap - note the never say the think its crap; they state that it IS crap!

That gets my back right up!
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Sir Osis of Liver · Post by **Sir Osis of Liver** » Tue May 18, 2010 1:03 pm

It's so easy to flame online because of the anonymity of the medium. Forget the fact that civility has largely flown out the window (of which I've been partially guilty when commenting on folks who make their editorial comments on the forums), but the ability to have a rational discussion seems to have gone with it. Every game has its fanboys (and girls) who are so damn insecure that they can't handle the thought of what they idolize not being as popular with the rest of the universe as it is with them. Like I said...all the more reason that I don't bother with the other forums (except FDG...because I don't post doesn't mean I don't read).

Sir Ironside · Post by **Sir Ironside** » Tue May 18, 2010 1:43 pm

anonymity of the interwebs + my game is better than your game = asshattery.

This isn't confined to just C&C, this pretty much applies to every rpg I've ever seen a discussion about. It is just D&D edition wars are by and far the worst of the lot, then by extension, in a smaller way, sometimes the cross hairs are on C&C.

I'm pretty much 'meh' about the whole thing. If anyone is influenced by ranting random internet (tough) guy, then you have to question their maturity and judgement anyway. Nice to put $$$ in TLG's pocket, but that kind of person isn't someone I'd like to game with.
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Ravenstar · Post by **Ravenstar** » Tue May 18, 2010 1:49 pm

I'm really not a fan of 4e (not) DnD - any links to a version of D&D that WizBro produce ended with 3.5.

They "burnt their bridges" so to speak with 4e (not) DnD - its so very different.

But I don't flame or get bent out of shape about it - although sometimes peoples abusive "net" natures do bother me sometimes (I'm such a delicate flower LoL).
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Lord Dynel · Post by **Lord Dynel** » Tue May 18, 2010 6:44 pm

Ravenstar wrote:
Theres the real rub right there - you stated there are games you THINK are shit.

Thats the operative word here "THINK" . . . . .

When I've encountered 3.5 of 4e (not) DnD dissenters their manners are generally incredibly bad and they INSIST every game (other than their RPG of choice) is utterly crap - note the never say the think its crap; they state that it IS crap!

That gets my back right up!

Exactly. Because I'm smart enough to realize what an opinion is exactly that. I don't pass my opinion off as fact, unlike some of the pundits on the internet. And, as altruistic as it sounds, I try to talk to people over the net as I would talk to them in real life.

Sir Osis of Liver wrote:
Every game has its fanboys (and girls) who are so damn insecure that they can't handle the thought of what they idolize not being as popular with the rest of the universe as it is with them.

Bingo. I just can't understand that mentality. I think it's an extension of Drew?'s line of thought of them passing off crap as fact. They're so hellbent in defending their system or keeping it in an ivory tower that they'll say it's the best thing since sliced bread, just to keep it - in their mind - the best thing since sliced bread.
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Ravenstar · Post by **Ravenstar** » Tue May 18, 2010 6:49 pm

Yea, but C&C IS the best thing since sliced bread
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serleran · Post by **serleran** » Tue May 18, 2010 6:54 pm

Some negativity can be a good thing. Something about opposites attracting and all that. But, like I said before, I like to bicker.
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Lord Dynel · Post by **Lord Dynel** » Tue May 18, 2010 7:37 pm

Ravenstar wrote:
Yea, but C&C IS the best thing since sliced bread

Well, yeah, but I don't want to come off as an elitist...

...not that you are or anything.
I do think it's the best, but that's just one peon's opinion.

serleran wrote:
Some negativity can be a good thing. Something about opposites attracting and all that.

Agreed...when both sides are doing it for the sake of debate/conversation and not being offensive and/or an ass.
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Ravenstar · Post by **Ravenstar** » Tue May 18, 2010 7:41 pm

Lord Dynel wrote:
Well, yeah, but I don't want to come off as an elitist...

...not that you are or anything.
I do think it's the best, but that's just one peon's opinion.

Not just one!
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Go0gleplex · Post by **Go0gleplex** » Tue May 18, 2010 8:32 pm

Sometimes talking to them as you would in person can be the same problem.
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Post by **Fiffergrund** » Tue May 18, 2010 9:16 pm

serleran wrote:
Some negativity can be a good thing. Something about opposites attracting and all that. But, like I said before, I like to bicker.

Sometimes I read your posts and I hear Sten's voice from Dragon Age. Is that bad?
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Lord Dynel · Post by **Lord Dynel** » Tue May 18, 2010 9:56 pm

Ravenstar wrote:
Not just one!

True, true!

Fiffergrund wrote:
Sometimes I read your posts and I hear Sten's voice from Dragon Age. Is that bad?

Sometimes I hear Alistair's...is that bad?
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Go0gleplex · Post by **Go0gleplex** » Tue May 18, 2010 11:00 pm

If you're hearing voices, it's time to lay off the Dr. Pepper.
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Post by **Fiffergrund** » Wed May 19, 2010 12:17 pm

Lord Dynel wrote:
Sometimes I hear Alistair's...is that bad?

Depends. Is that just for Ser's posts or all of them?
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Piperdog · Post by **Piperdog** » Wed May 19, 2010 12:18 pm

My closest group of friends still prefer Gurps over anything, but they have no venom toward C&C. They are indifferent to the whole OSR and all things d20, even though we all grew up on D&D. Most of them just hate classes and levels. They are open to me running it, but it's not their fave.

I have two other groups though, one being my 15 year old and his buddies, and a mixed group of old Grognards and thier adult kids. This group is all about OSR, and C&C is held in high regard there (they were the test group for last years tourney mod at GenCon).
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Tadhg · Post by **Tadhg** » Thu May 20, 2010 12:40 am

Piperdog wrote:
My closest group of friends still prefer Gurps over anything, but they have no venom toward C&C. They are indifferent to the whole OSR and all things d20, even though we all grew up on D&D. Most of them just hate classes and levels. They are open to me running it, but it's not their fave.

I have two other groups though, one being my 15 year old and his buddies, and a mixed group of old Grognards and thier adult kids. This group is all about OSR, and C&C is held in high regard there (they were the test group for last years tourney mod at GenCon).

Very nice. Sounds like you get in a lot of gaming. Excellente my friend!!
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serleran · Post by **serleran** » Thu May 20, 2010 12:42 am

After meeting Der Fiff, I used to hear Rick James when reading his posts.
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Post by **Fiffergrund** » Thu May 20, 2010 1:34 pm

serleran wrote:
After meeting Der Fiff, I used to hear Rick James when reading his posts.

BWAH! Good times, good times. It's hard to believe that was all the way back in 2005.

Enjoy the celebration, b**ches! UNITYYYYY!

To this day I can't think of Alex Gygax without hearing Rick James, so I understand completely!
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Coleston the Cavalier · Thu May 20, 2010 9:19 pm

Oh man, all this time I have avoided this thread because I thought it was about adding more deadly poisons to monsters in C&C (you know, save-or-die stuff).

Guess I missed out.
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